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10-30-2005, 11:18 AM
If you wish to be considered for a Regional Head grower please contact a board member. The Regional head Growers will work under the Head Grower, Dean Cook. They will keep track of plants and growers in their region.
10-30-2005, 11:56 AM
Why should people who take on extra responsibility for growing plants also have to keep track of plants and growers in their region? Shouldn't the book-keeping go to someone else?
10-30-2005, 02:15 PM
That is what a regoinal head grower is, but there is no such thing as a regular growing. *Even the lowest level of grower will have to report how their plants are doing to the regional head, who will report the information to the Head Grower. *Record keeping is everyones job. *The amount you are responsible for just gets larger as your power is greater. *We are looking at going non-profit in the future. *The records must be kept near perfectly. *It can not be the Head Growers job to keep track of all the growers. *It would be over whelming. *That is why it will be broken down. *The head grower just needs to check with the regoinal heads. *If we finally get too many growers for the regionals to keep track of we will create area growers, who will answer to the regional grower. THis will be the same with distribution and conservancy. This is a big country. Think of it as mayors, governors,president.
10-30-2005, 11:01 PM
I am Regional Head grower for the Northern California area. We need someone for Southern California. We need to work on growing charts, for the various species, and forms for keeping track of day to day growing operations. Anyone with ideas, PM us when you can.
10-31-2005, 08:21 AM
10-31-2005, 08:56 AM
It might help if you define what "regional" is. Does that mean one Regional Grower per state, groups of states, parts of states, counties?
10-31-2005, 10:37 AM
Did you get a the map I sent out to the board members? *If not I will send it again. *No, a region is large. *Eventually there may be Area Head growers (if we every have enough growers that the numbers require it. *Sorry Buggs, it will be bigger then cali for now, but I figure that *California and Florida will be the first to have Area Head Growers. * It is all about span of control and 12 growers is the limit under the Head Grower before we Divide it again. *If it was then divided into Regions the Regional Head would be resposible just for his Area Head Growers and the would be responsible for the growers in their area. *The span of control gets smaller as you get closer to the top of the chain, so Dean is resposible for the Regional Growers, but may check on any level.
Look at the map that I sent, If you received it. We need to decided on the areas. I am using various methods to figure the divide. I am using the cenus divide, the time divide and CP books (do as to figure where the heaviest concentration of CPs are) I will make my suggested divides from a combination of those. I will probable end up taking a region or area. Only three brave volunteers have contacted me thus far. Any board member hear from anyone else? I think it is time to start contacting known growers. We also have many other positions to fil. I emailed the list that I had os people that wanted to help, but I have not heard from them.
10-31-2005, 03:51 PM
I do not recall seeing a map. But I'll check again to see. Any way the map can be posted for all to see?
I got the email with the map. But for some reason I couldn't see the map.
10-31-2005, 05:27 PM
map did not show on my email either.
10-31-2005, 08:24 PM
Here is one
<a href="http://www.50states.com/us.htmMap (http://www.50states.com/us.htm)
Here is one of the time zones
Time Zones (http://nist.time.gov/)
Here is one of cenus zones
Now we have to turn to our books and figure out where all the CPs populations are. *I found a map of them last year, but have not been so lucky this year. *After you look at all the info try to figure how we should set our regions and how many there should be to start with. *Remember after there are too many growers in a region that region can be broken into areas with the area heads answering to the regional head.
11-01-2005, 09:27 AM
Thanks for the maps. Very helpful.
11-01-2005, 10:25 AM
I am thinking that the areas of his CP growth will quickly have more growers and probably the regions should be smaller in those areas.
11-01-2005, 06:10 PM
I don't understand what the regions are. *I thought CP growers would be divided into regions based on where they are, but the last few posts seem to say regions will be based on where CP populations are. *Most CP growers aren't where the (natural) CP populations are.
11-01-2005, 10:16 PM
No, not where the cps are, but there are more growers consentrated in those areas due to the climate. *The entire US will be divided into regions, but some regions will be expected to find growers faster than others. *Hope that Helps *Come to the meeting on the 10th and maybe we can explain better.
11-02-2005, 09:58 AM
We need to find a good balance for regions..
for example, having each state be its own region is obviously too many regions..
we would need to find a "regional head grower" for each of the 50 states..
thats totally unreasonable.
on the flip side, dividing up the USA into say, 4 regions, north, south, east west, is too few regions, and each "RHG" would have far too many people to keep track of..
so we need something in between.
Perhaps something like this:
(this is just a very rough draft..off the top of my head..open to debate and changes!
you also have to factor in population density..
for example, the "North East region" looks much smaller than the "plains region" in terms of area..and it is.
but more people live in he NE region than the plains region..
so the regions would also need to be balanced out in terms of number of NASC members in each region..
11-02-2005, 04:59 PM
I have received PMs relating to this, but have not seen it spelled out in this thread yet, so here goes:
I think Rose is on the right track with the idea that there are more growers in particular areas where Sarracenia are easier to grow. From MY standpoint, I have my mature Sarrs outside year-round, and they do just fine. I'm sure there are going to be many more growers along the Gulf Coast, Atlantic Coast and Pacific Coast than just about anywhere else, and thus there is a need for smaller regions in these areas. As for having a 'Plains Region' that stretches from Texas to Canada, I think (and hope) there would be MANY more growers in such a region than one regional grower could/should keep track of.
This doesn't mean there aren't growers in other parts of the country that can participate. But I DO feel that there needs to be a set of requirements that growers must be able to meet in order to participate. I would hate for a bunch of rare seeds to go to someone who is not familiar with growing Sarrs from seed, only to have them not make it.
Perhaps there should be differing levels of growers, with novice or less able (due to growing requirements) growers getting less critical populations to work with? That way the NASC has the best chance of success in reaching their goal.
Maybe novice growers should be steered towards joining the ICPS; that way they can show their commitment to the CP community, AND they could have access to Sarracenia seeds that may not be as critical. If they have good success with more common populations, then they could be given rarer seeds in the future.
Just my thoughts...
11-02-2005, 07:19 PM
I would have to agree. *Scot, that map is not bad, but I am hoping to break up the regions a little more. *Right now I have heard from 6 to 7 people that will be able to be Regional Growers. *We will need growings under them. *More important we have to build an army of collectors in the regions that have the cp populace. *They are the most Important. *Please, if you live in an area where cps are found, please be willing to give a little of your time. *If you are willing to save these plants when their destruction is inevitable please contact Ozzy. *We will not go recklessly, and without cause, taking these plants from their habitat, but we will rescue them if they are to be destroy. *This will be done with permission from the landowner or other responsible parties. *Please be listed among those who can help the most. *Wthout collectors we have nothing.
11-02-2005, 08:02 PM
All this talk of regional head growers sounds like a lot more trouble than most people will be able to manage contributing to a distributed volunteer organization. Having some stratified pyramid to manage growers will probably prove complicated. Would it perhaps be easier to manage growers' reports electronically? If all the growers could submit their reports via the web or email, then you could have just a few auditors to go through and review reports as they're submitted. Growers could be notified automatically if they fail to report, so there would be accountability for turning in reports in a timely manner. Additionally, having the information in a database format would make running demographics much easier.
I don't have experience with anything on the scale of the NASC, but I have observed in the past that problems tend to crop up a lot in the middle of management chains. It seems like, in this situation, you have the option of making things work with less complication. Having the whole affair centralized and automated would mean less shuffling papers for growers and less sifting through mixed records for everybody else. If you like, I would be glad to develop a system to this end for the NASC.
11-02-2005, 08:09 PM
Joe, That is an excellent idea!!! Copper, and the rest of you, I think this could work. It is enough living life, and taking care of business without taking on too much. I like this idea of auditors to keep the growers straight and the records of the seeding program and seedling distribution on line. And reminding us to report, MAN!!!!, could I use that!
11-02-2005, 08:28 PM
Anything to make the paperwork easier. Go for it Seedjar. But the heads will always have to remember to have hard copies on hand.
11-02-2005, 10:00 PM
So... how would you all like to proceed? Before I begin I need to pin down what you guys want of the database. What kind of information is presently maintained about NASC growers? How are strains and individual plants tracked? What kind of information makes up one of these reports? Also, what would a hard copy consist of - are these signed papers or something? It will always be possible to make backups of the electronic records.
11-02-2005, 10:41 PM
Seedjar, you contact Dean Cook, and ask him what he would like. Tell him what you have, what you propose to do, and Dean WILL be interested. www.************* will get you to him.
11-03-2005, 12:18 AM
Thanks Bugs, will do.
11-03-2005, 09:43 AM
I know you are all just getting the regional growers
system started and it sounds great but there should be some redundancy for people to care for others growers plants in the event of personal crisis, illness etc (foster growers).
11-09-2005, 03:57 PM
There will still be regional growers. *They are the auditors for their region. *this is sounding more difficult than it will be. *Each grower will keep their own record and send a compressed record to the Regional Head. *I can even make up a form or program to make it easy. *they will tell the head grower how many plants they have. *They will mention growing problems if they arise.
This is a corporation and is being run like one. *You have the heads, then the sub heads, and then supervisors under them til you get to the suporvisory level where most ofthe work is actually done.
This is not just for the growers. *It will be for the collectors as well. *Ozzy cannot go every and do all the work of collecting. *There will be Region Heads of Conservancy that answer to Ozzy and workers under them that will answer to their regional head. *This is unity of command and makes things work easier. After Unity of Command you must have Span of control. *Each command can have only so many under them before chaos ensues. *After Span of control you have delegation of authority. *It is how corporations work. *Oddly enough police departments have adopted the methods of the corporation and work like a business now. *Do not fear. *I understand this stuff. *Watch out sargeants test, here I come.
11-10-2005, 07:48 AM
The old Incident Command System at work for Conservation.
My class at the Fire Academy is paying off.
Now believe it's been retagged as NIMS.
National Incident Management System.
Good luck on the Sgts. exam Copper.
11-14-2005, 10:40 AM
I am willing to be a regional head grower for Michigan (serious post).
I've never grown heads before (not so serious post)! http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif
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