Devil's Claw Picture Thread 2009

[joossa]

Alright I'm starting up a photo thread. I (and I am sure others) want to see your devil's claws as they grow up into demonic beasts this growing seson. I am especially interested in seeing pictures of Martynia annua. Post away!!!


I'll start with some of mine:

Two day water soak:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5030001.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5030004.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5030002.jpg

Half the seed coat removed:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5050013.jpg

Germination (from an earlier batch):
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5010043.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5010042.jpg

All here are P. parviflora var hohokamiana:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5060022.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5060017.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5060023.jpg


I. lutea pictures coming soon (if my seed was viable...).

[Halt]

I have P. parviflora var hohokamiana but is it nessecary to soak em? and then cut the skin off? :3 Is it the only way they'll germ. cause i just put them on soil and their in my rack atm. should i put em in wateR?

[joossa]

is it nessecary to soak em? and then cut the skin off? :3 Is it the only way they'll germ. cause i just put them on soil and their in my rack atm. should i put em in wateR?


No you don't have to... I do all that because that is what works best for me (I like to think it maximizes germination). Straight sowing is fine too, just keep them wet and hot.

[Halt]

mk. lowland rack :3 but the person i got them from said to grow it as a garden plant o.o


Uhm, can these take fertilization? Like miracle-gro garden soil?

[jimscott]

LOL! My seeds are in here. I tossed them in a couple weeks ago. I also reserved a few for the tallest of minibog buckets, as backups.

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture014-2.jpg

[SirKristoff]

my first one got destroyed by a bird LOL....
these are the 3 current ones going. ive got more seed to try later on in the garden once it warms up some more...
so far these guys have endured hail, a ton of rain, a couple of light freezes.....

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee61/SirKristoff/5-8-09007.jpg

[joossa]

Seedlings are growing! No Ibicella yet...

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5120022.jpg


Pseudo-Carnivore!

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5120021.jpg

[jimscott]

Can I assume that you will be repotting the plants into something deeper. later on? Still no germination for me.

[joossa]

Can I assume that you will be repotting the plants into something deeper. later on? Still no germination for me.

I will be putting the better, more vigorous ones in the ground soon. I also have some large terracotta pots available and will be testing out how they do in there.

[Chunkyhunks]

My largest devils claw on 5/12
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo196/TheAlbinoMantis/IMG_6142.jpg

And today, 5/17
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo196/TheAlbinoMantis/IMG_6153.jpg

Sorry for the terrible photos...my camera is getting old. T_T

[Halt]

aww ill take my pic tomorrow :D

[joossa]

Very nice, Chunkyhunks... what species/variety is it? :)

[Chunkyhunks]

Proboscidea parviflora var. hohokamiana
The things are growing just as fast if not faster than my sunflowers...

[Winter Flurry]

No Seedlings for me here neither yet.

[joossa]

I placed two seedlings into large terracotta pots:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5220031.jpg


Six plants went into the patch (directly into the ground):

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5220024.jpg


This one is growing a flower bud!

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P5220026.jpg


I made a little side by side comparison of the patch's condition from today and from last year in August just to show how big the plants get. The seedlings from today's picture are too small and hard to see, so I circled them in yellow:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/2585.jpg

[Halt]

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/CPLoverHalt/IMG_5093.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/CPLoverHalt/IMG_5095.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/CPLoverHalt/IMG_5097.jpg

Their still small, i have nowhere else to put em.

[joossa]

Some of mine are beginning to hit the point where growth begins to accelerate dramatically and the plants take off without looking back...

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6010021.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6010015.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6010016.jpg

[joossa]

First flowers:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6080045.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6110053.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6110055.jpg

[Aslan]

Congratulations! Mine started flowering too, just need to get time to post pics!

Happy growing!
Aslan

[Halt]

Mines flowering as well but its way smaller than yours.

[Chunkyhunks]

Here are my devils claw as of a week or so ago.
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo196/TheAlbinoMantis/IMG_6220.jpg

[jimscott]

Look what popped up today:

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture045-2.jpg

Actually, 2 popped up, but this took a better picture.

[jimscott]

I now have 4 of them outside and this one that germinated in a tall bucket:

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture004-3.jpg

[carnivoure12]

wow they grow fast!

[petmantis]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr211/petmantis/carnivorous%20plants/DSC06506.jpg
This is my ibicella flower pic :)

[joossa]

Great pictures guys! Nice to see that other people are also growing successfully!


Here is my patch as of today:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190047.jpg

This is a plant that germinated at the same time as the ones in the patch. This one was kept in the little 3in pot, though. Obviously, it is much smaller and has less foliage than the ones I moved into the ground:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190056.jpg

If you guys want to know when growth accelerates and flowering is near, look for the major branching of the main stem. Once the main stem branches into two, expect faster growth and the emergence of flowers. The tips of the two branches take over as the meristems and new growth emerges from there. All of my plants did this last year, but not all may do this, especially those grown in pots. Here is an image to illustrate:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190052.jpg

I already have fruit coming along. Here is what to expect after you pollinate. The flowers last from 24 to 48 hours. After this the flower will wilt and dry:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190043.jpg

The flower will then usually fall off. With it, the stamens will fall off. The sepals will be left over along with the style:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190049.jpg


Soon, the remaining part of the style and the ovary will bulge, change to a green color, and will seem to push out of the sepal cluster. This is the beginning of the development of the fruit:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190042.jpg

[Halt]

You have to pollinate them?

[jimscott]

Joel, is the little guy with the purple cotyledon one of my Ibicellas from last year or could that be a parviflora from what you sent me? There are now 4 devil's claw seedlings that popped up in various spots I planted, (outside).

[joossa]

Jim, it could be either. I'm not sure, but if I would have to guess, I'd go with Ibicella and not Proboscidea based on the color.

As with most cases, the flower will tell.

Petmantis, are you sure that your pictured plant is Ibicella? Ibicella flowers are yellow...

[jimscott]

New pics... 8 seedlings so far:

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture036-2.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture034-3.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture032-3.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture031-1.jpg

[Halt]

Did any sprout in the pond you threw them into?

[jimscott]

It was, I guess it called a seep. Not that I can tell, now that there's so much of the indigeonous foliage springing up. But hey, I 've 8 seedlings so far!

[dustin]

hey....well i got a few to sprout and they surprised me...i moved everything outside and a frost hit and killed off all my vegis, but they proboscidea never sprouted then a couple weeks later they all sprouted at once and now i planted them in the ground...there were more but...*cough* my grandpa accidentally for a reason idk, tilled one line in the garden...and in that line were about 5-8 proboscidea...*cough* so yeah now im starting to think is planting in a line a good thing? lol...well anyway the good news is i had about 5 more plants sprout, and i planted them right in the ground....and they are just starting to pick up growth speed now...

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Picture047.jpg
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Picture048.jpg

dustin

[Halt]

Woah thats alot, dustin!

I've noticed that once it flowers, the whole flower comes off after its been pollinated. It's not even seperate petals, its just one fat flower. After it falls off it leaves the stigma ? Am I correct or did something rip the flower off?

[joossa]

I've noticed that once it flowers, the whole flower comes off after its been pollinated. It's not even seperate petals, its just one fat flower. After it falls off it leaves the stigma ? Am I correct or did something rip the flower off?

That's correct, Halt. The flower does have petals, but they are all fused together. A little after pollination the entire thing falls off. See the post I made on 6/19/09 on this thread. I have pictures. :)




EDIT: I got a deformed flower a couple of days a go for the first time since growing Proboscidea. I pollinated it... maybe something special will pop up.


Regular flower for comparison:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6250020.jpg


Here is the deformed flower. Note the extra petals:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6250022.jpg


View from above:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6250026.jpg


Note the double yellow nectar trail:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6250023.jpg

[Winter Flurry]

Here is my Devil Claws seedlings:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClaws.jpg
What species of Devil Claws are these? I have never seen leaves like that before until they sprouted.

[Wolfn]

Here is my Devil Claws seedlings:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClaws.jpg
What species of Devil Claws are these? I have never seen leaves like that before until they sprouted.


Those don't look like Devil's Claws. :-(

[DrWurm]

Those don't look like Devil's Claws. :-(

Yeah, those look more like oak sprouts or something. Definitely not devil's claw.

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

Does the Devil Claws have the purple underside? Those have the purple underside on the leaves.

[DrWurm]

Does the Devil Claws have the purple underside? Those have the purple underside on the leaves.

No. That's definitely not devil's claw. The leaf shape is all wrong, and so is the stem. The whole stem should be covered in fine sticky hairs.

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks and the Devil Claws I planted down at my sister's house had the purple undersides. Just a update.

[DrWurm]

Thanks and the Devil Claws I planted down at my sister's house had the purple undersides. Just a update.

Where'd you get the seeds? Are you sure they weren't oak seeds or something?

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

They came from Arizona in a Devil Claws seedpod. Should I put up a picture of the seed pod they came out of?

[DrWurm]

They came from Arizona in a Devil Claws seedpod. Should I put up a picture of the seed pod they came out of?

Yeah, for sure, and if you have photos of the seeds themselves, that'd be great too. I'm rather confused at the moment.

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

Here is a picture of the seed pod:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilsClaw.jpg
Here is a picture of the seeds:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/Seeds.jpg
I hope this helps to identify those seedlings and there was nothing planted there but only the Devil Claws seeds.

[DrWurm]

Well, I'll give you this: you weren't lying that they were devil's claw pods and seeds.

I'm guessing that whatever it is you're growing, it's a common weed in your area, which is why your sister got them too. I'd recommend checking elsewhere in the garden for more of those plants where you didn't plant the claws. Perhaps the mix you used was contaminated with those seeds.

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

I haverested the seeds from the Devil Claws seedpods and planted them. i made sure there was nothing there after I cleared out a spot for them. I planted them directly into the ground and I gave my sister some of the Devil Claws seeds also. Could this be a new kind of Devil Claws that is a Hybird? That could be a possibility.

[DrWurm]

I haverested the seeds from the Devil Claws seedpods and planted them. i made sure there was nothing there after I cleared out a spot for them. I planted them directly into the ground and I gave my sister some of the Devil Claws seeds also. Could this be a new kind of Devil Claws that is a Hybird? That could be a possibility.

Is it at all sticky? Does it have dew tipped hairs anywhere on it?

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

Not that I can see today. When are they supposed to get sticky and Dew Tipped Hairs on them? I will check when I go back down there.

[DrWurm]

Not that I can see today. When are they supposed to get sticky and Dew Tipped Hairs on them? I will check when I go back down there.

They sprout like that. The whole plant is covered in horribly sticky hairs its whole life. What you have there is a weedy tree. Its seeds were probably in the ground long before you planted the devil's claw seeds and when you started to water the area, they sprouted. I'm not sure what kind of tree it is, but I am 100% positive it's not a devil's claw.

Jason

[Halt]

Its suppose to have it when it germinates, almost instantly i saw dew, and tipped hair.

[Winter Flurry]

My dad used to have Squash down there. What should I do with the sprout that I showed you? Thanks.

[DrWurm]

If you can pull it out, roots and all, I'd do that. If not, http://www.ehow.com/how_5058290_use-killer-remove-weed-trees.html

Jason

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks and I will pull it up roots and all to take to my local Extenstion Service to see what kind of tree it is.

[joossa]

I completely agree with what Jason said. Look at page one of this thread to see what newly germinated seed look like. SirKristoff and I have some pictures there... I am sure there are others in this thread too. Generally, all devil's claw seedlings (be it Proboscidea or Ibicella) will look like that upon germination.



By the way, is anyone here growing Martynia annua?

[obregon562]

you saw it here first peeps:

Proboscidea parvifolia v. hokomiana in a can!

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo341/obregon562/DSCN0652.jpg

Its a monster! :-))

[Winter Flurry]

Here is my Devil Claws Seedling.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClaws2.jpg
About that first picture I did plant the Black Seeded Devil Claws with the White Seeded and I think those are my Black Seeded Devil Claw seedlings.

[carnivoure12]

Is it the one in the mud? Or is it the big plant?

[Winter Flurry]

It's both of them that is Devil Claw Seedlings.

[jimscott]

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture024-1.jpg

[joossa]

Here are some more…

This fruit is from a plant that is growing in a 6in pot. Note how it’s stubby and how it’s distal end is blunt and not very long compared to the fruit’s body.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6300063.jpg


This fruit is from a plant that is growing in the ground. Note how the distal end of this one is much pointier and has a more pronounced curve when compared to the one above. Also the “claw” portion is a bit longer than the fruit body. This fruit will eventually develop into a large, well formed claw, while the claw above will stay small and will look stubby and abnormal.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6300067.jpg


Here are some of my plants:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7090060.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7090074.jpg

[Fryster]

Thanks for the seeds Joosa!

I soaked 'em like 5 days, split the seed-shell and planted/sowed them on Sunday the 5th and placed the pots under my T5 lights where it is quite warm.

I checked on them on Wednesday the 8th and wouldn't ya know it? All ten seeds that I sowed had sprouted and were about 1¼" in height!!

Wow!! I've never seen any seed sprout like that before! This is quite the aggressive plant. It wants to live. ;)

How long should one wait to plant them outdoors?? Or rather, how large should they be to successfully survive the indoor/outdoor transplant?? thanks,

[joossa]

How long should one wait to plant them outdoors?? Or rather, how large should they be to successfully survive the indoor/outdoor transplant?? thanks,

They are very tough and can handle transplants at a very young age without any problems. I suggest moving them ASAP. If you leave them in the small seedling pots, their roots will become restricted and the plants may become stunted, similar to what happens with sunflower plants in small pots.

Just remove them out of their pots taking the entire soil "plug" with them. Then place into the ground or into large pots, adding soil around them. Like this:
http://www.hydrohobby.co.uk/images/product/jiffysoil.jpg

[Nickz123]

I left them in a small pot and mine got stunted. I need to put them in the ground. Here is my first flower.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Nickz123/IMG_0377.jpg

[dustin]

Here is my largest proboscidea var. hohokamiana, believe i got them from jimmy thanks :)...

i believe i got my first flower bud!!!

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Picture152.jpg

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Picture153.jpg

sorry pic's kinda blurry

dustin

[Winter Flurry]

Here is my Devil Claws Plant. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClaws3.jpg
Does it look like it has branched out? It looks like it to me.

[Wolfn]

Here is my Devil Claws Plant. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClaws3.jpg
Does it look like it has branched out? It looks like it to me.


That's not a Devil's Claw.

Does it feel sticky and covered with tentacles?

[Winter Flurry]

I planted the White Seeded Devil Claws down there and It doesn't feel sticky to me.

[carnivoure12]

Then you don't have any devils claws, the shape of the leaves are all wrong, and i don't think what you have will flower anytime soo. IMO thats not a devils claw.

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks and I really thought I had some Devil Claws here. :-( My soil is differnt here.

[joossa]

Winter Flurry, the the plant in the picture you posted looks similar to the plant on the post you made on 6/30/09. Again, it is not a devil's claw plant and probably some tree seedling or plant that sprouted from seed that was already in the soil before you even sowed your DC seed (like Jason said). The smaller ones in the photo also don't look like devil's claws plants either.

Again, I suggest looking at the first couple of pages of this thread so that you can get an idea of what young devil's claw plants look like.

Good luck!

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks.

[jimscott]

They're doing fine in the ground:

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture020-5.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture021-7.jpg

[joossa]

Looking good, Jim! Nothing beats growing them in the ground. :)

[jimscott]

I've got 3 in tall buckets, too. Gotta get a picture.

[joossa]

Here is picture that is similar to one I took last year and included in my growing journal.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290006.jpg


From the patch:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290010.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290008.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290009.jpg


These are in large pots:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290001.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290004.jpg


Today a fruit from the plant I kept in the white 6in pot split open. It is very short and has miserable looking prongs:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290016.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290019.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P7290023.jpg

[jimscott]

Whow, that's impressive. I think I see the beginnings of a flower bud emerging from one of the plants in the ground.

Here are the ones in the buckets:

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture001-16.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture002-11.jpg

Got a late start this year!

[dustin]

very nice plants everyone

joosa: how long were those growing for? a lot bigger than what i got, or is that just a ton of plants in one spot?

well out of the 5 plants i planted in the ground 4 of them made it and are now flowering and today i spotted a nice seed pod starting, these are proboscidea var. hohokamiana, i think they came from jimmy, thanks, think ill be growing these plants for years to come, im starting to like'em more :)

there are 4 of them in there they are just mixed in with weeds :p
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/Picture269.jpg

some flower pics
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/Picture267.jpg
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/Picture266.jpg

and the very first seed pod grown by me!!! :)
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/Picture268.jpg

dustin

[joossa]

Hey Dustin. I can’t see any of your photos.

I have a total of six plants in my patch. The ones in the back are a little bit older than the ones in the front. They all germinated around early May and were promptly moved into the ground shortly thereafter. I attribute their size to age, fertilization, and prime growing conditions.

Here is a picture of the patch with the same six plants not too long ago....



http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P6190047.jpg

[Wolfn]

Can the Devil's Claw be reproduced through leaf cuttings? Has anyone tried that yet?

[dustin]

Sorry about that, i was updating my photobucket account and re-organizing all the pics...which then proceeded to make all the pics i posted anywhere not viewable, so i had to repost it with their new codes...there they are, not the best close ups on the flowers though.

im not sure on that wolfn, this is my first year growing them im just surprised i was able to get a seed pod to form, i pollinated it with a piece of grass lol

dustin

[obregon562]

leaf cuttings would be very interesting indeed. I think ill try it. :)

Cuttings are thoroughly possible though, and they root easily enough to just place them in water and wait i.e. hosta, figs, etc...

what about root pullings? :D

[jimscott]

As I was leaving work today I gave a quick look at my devil claw plants. Talk about, "here today and gone tomorrow"... they were gone. I'm guessing that complex had landscapers do some weeding and they were pulled. The ones along the treeline never really got going and the ones in the seep never germinated. All I have left are the 3 in the pots on the porch.

[Winter Flurry]

Here is my true Devil Claws Seedlings and they must have came up the other day.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawSeedlings.jpg
I have 3 seedlings here.

[joossa]

^Now you've got it! That's a devil's claw seedling alright...

Good luck! :)

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks and I thought I couldn't grow them here.

[joossa]

Couldn't resist posting these:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8070018.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8070019.jpg


About the leaf/steam cuttings.... I'm still a little doubtful. Today, I had to trim off a huge portion of a plant that was blocking my standing area that I use while hand pollinating and watering. I took the portion I cut off and immediately placed it in water and full shade. Less than an hour later the leaves had a major loss in turgidity.

Maybe placing them in a higher humidity environment would work?


The mother plant, note where I cut off the plant cutting:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8080031.jpg


As you can see, the portion I cut off was a good size:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8080029.jpg


Close up of the cut (on the portion that was removed from the mother plant):

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8080028.jpg


Here is the cut portion one hour after I cut it off. It was placed in water immediately after the cut. The leaves are beginning to droop and sag:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8080024.jpg

[dustin]

wow thats a lot of flowers lol, good luck with the cutting

also when do i harvest the seed pod? its rapidly growing from the little 3-4in pod is now 5-7in i think, getting big, ive never grown them before, but im guessing when the pod splits open and turns brown or something like that. from personal experience can anyone tell me how long it takes for the pod to completely ripen?

thanks
dustin

[joossa]

The cutting didn't make it... It completely wilted overnight. :oops:

I always harvest when the skin of the fruit begins to brown and split. I then let it completely dehisce indoors on a flat surface at room temperature. The skin will split in several pieces and become dry and brittle while the claw inside opens up.

From the data I collected last year, I found that it took around 50 days for a fruit to completely ripen and begin to dehisce. This data was from plants that were grown in the ground and not in containers/pots.

[aaddaam]

wow this thread has really taken off! ive been watching it ever since it was started and i have to say that there are alot of people growing devil's claw. joossa you have some good sized ones but dont you get tired of the smell, every time i drive by some i feel sick but they are very awesome plants. we have so many here they are considered a noxious weed.
thanks
adam

[jimscott]

I have a bud on one of the plants in the buckets. Next week it should be flowering.

[joossa]

wow this thread has really taken off! ive been watching it ever since it was started and i have to say that there are alot of people growing devil's claw. joossa you have some good sized ones but dont you get tired of the smell, every time i drive by some i feel sick but they are very awesome plants. we have so many here they are considered a noxious weed.
thanks
adam

Yes, the smell is pretty bad, especially this time of the year. The mucilage is worse though. It's like industrial glue... soap and water doesn't help at all.

[dustin]

Anyone think they can give an estimate on this seed pod ripening?

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/pictures008.jpg

just about 5-6in long now, 2-3 in wide, getting big :)

dustin

[Winter Flurry]

It could be soon that seed pod ripening but I'm not sure. Should I move Seedling #2 from the pure garden soil into the Potting Soil and Perlite mixure in the garden here because it looks like the pure garden soil has compacted around it? Just curious and here is a updated picture of Seedling #2. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawSeedlings-1.jpg

[Adam]

my parviflora hohos came up within two days of a one day soak! i call them personally Santa Claws Because of the Hoho in it:-D

[jimscott]

This is it for now:

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture001-22.jpg

[Winter Flurry]

I got my first Flower on Devil Claws Plant #1 here and here is what it looks like: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawsPlant.jpg
Will the flower grow more or stay the same size? Just curious.

[joossa]

The flower will stay the same size. It will remain in bloom for a couple of days. The flower tends to fall off soon after its been pollinated.

I also see that your plant now has two meristems. So, you can expect the main stem to branch into two and an increase in growth soon (as long as conditions are ideal).

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks and that was such a nice surprise to see a bloom becuase I have only seen pictures of it until today. When should I expect that? Just curious and here is pictures of Devil Claws Plant #2 with flower buds and the second one is a top view. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawsPlant2.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawsPlant3.jpg
Would the rain knock off Devil Claw Flowers? I have noticed that the flower is laying on the ground here today.

[joossa]

Here are some current pictures:


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8270013.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8270012.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8270015.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8270010.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8270024.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8300012.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8300014.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P8300015.jpg

[Halt]

I only got one dried pod this year. I will definately try to plant it on somewhere thats big.

[Winter Flurry]

It looks like I'm getting a seed pod on Devil Claw #1.

[jimscott]

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture025-2.jpg

[joossa]

This is what happens when you don't give your plant enough room to grow... I thought it was a little cute.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P9170018.jpg

[Winter Flurry]

I have 3 fruits on my Devil Claws Plants here. I thought the outer coating would have shedded by now. When will it shed?

[marvin1997]

Hi....may I ask what kind of soil do they need?Same with other cps?

[Halt]

Hi....may I ask what kind of soil do they need?Same with other cps?

Nope. These are a bit easier, and your in Malay. so they should be able to grow year round. You can grow these with Fertilizer and tap water. btw, do they speak hokkien in malay, like in indo?

[Adam]

do i have to pollinate? it's flowering and i want to have seeds. Some already are done flowering, i didnt hand pollinate, could they still possibly produce seeds?

[joossa]

do i have to pollinate? it's flowering and i want to have seeds. Some already are done flowering, i didnt hand pollinate, could they still possibly produce seeds?


Pollination could have been accomplished by any appropriate pollinator (like a bumblebee or honeybee for these plants). If you don't see a fruit starting to grow a couple of days after the flower is spent, then it usually means that it wasn't pollinated.

Also, I hate to be a downer, but it is pretty late in the season to be pollinating and pushing for fruit. Especially in your case since your in PA. Remember that P. parviflora is an annual. The fruit need at least 50 days to mature, and by that time it'll be November and pretty cold. In other words, your plants will be long gone. This is assuming you are growing them outside. I guess it is possible to move the plants into a heated greenhouse and continue growing them through the winter...

My plants are already looking dead-ish. I had another plentiful harvest this year and will be having a seed offer early next year if you need some.

[Winter Flurry]

Do I pick off my ripened seed pod and bring it in the house to shed or do I leave it on the plant? Just asking.

[joossa]

Do I pick off my ripened seed pod and bring it in the house to shed or do I leave it on the plant? Just asking.

Cut it off when you see the skin starting to split. It usually begins to split at the distal end (the pointy end). At this point, I usually just bring them indoors and place them on a cardboard surface. I give them plenty of time to dry. The skin shrivels and the claw will open up exposing the seed inside.

It's also perfectly fine to leave the fruit on the plant until the flesh completely falls off, but then you risk losing seed as the claw opens up.

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks but I haven't noticed any splitting on my fruit. When is it supposed to start? It has been on there more than 50 days.

[joossa]

Thanks but I haven't noticed any splitting on my fruit. When is it supposed to start? It has been on there more than 50 days.

50 days is just an average, which means that yours may take more time. Just be patient and keep and on it. :)

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks.

[joossa]

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/P9190003.jpg


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PA030005.jpg


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PA030008.jpg


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PA030001.jpg

[dustin]

WOW!!!! thats a lot of seeds, and pods, my first year is brought me 4 plants, 4 pods ranging from 4-7in long im guessing they are still drying inside, ill post pics there just starting to shed there top layer

[Adam]

Pollination could have been accomplished by any appropriate pollinator (like a bumblebee or honeybee for these plants). If you don't see a fruit starting to grow a couple of days after the flower is spent, then it usually means that it wasn't pollinated.

Also, I hate to be a downer, but it is pretty late in the season to be pollinating and pushing for fruit. Especially in your case since your in PA. Remember that P. parviflora is an annual. The fruit need at least 50 days to mature, and by that time it'll be November and pretty cold. In other words, your plants will be long gone. This is assuming you are growing them outside. I guess it is possible to move the plants into a heated greenhouse and continue growing them through the winter...

My plants are already looking dead-ish. I had another plentiful harvest this year and will be having a seed offer early next year if you need some.

I take mine to the garage when it gets cold overnight. When it gets too cold to leave them out during day, i will put them under light in the basement. Also, there are a ton of bees around right now.

[dustin]

here's my first claw that finally dried completely :)

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/pictures072.jpg
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn470/lazy-photographer/Proboscidea/pictures071.jpg

both pics are of the same pod

dustin

[marvin1997]

Nope. These are a bit easier, and your in Malay. so they should be able to grow year round. You can grow these with Fertilizer and tap water. btw, do they speak hokkien in malay, like in indo?
Oh sorry...forgot about this post and they do:-DI wan seeds...

[Cindy]

Proboscidea parviflora
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/cpphotoz/4thQ09/proboscidea_parviflora_seedpod.jpg

[Winter Flurry]

I already harvested my Devil Claws fruits here because I noticed a line down the middle of them. Did I harvest too early or did I not? Just asking.

[jimscott]

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture001-25.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/straus_2009/Picture002-2.jpg

[joossa]

I finally got around to harvesting the rest of my claws. Seed went everywhere as the claws were all split open already. The sun also did a number on some of them and thus, they look bleached. Nevertheless, I got some good ones....


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200030.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200029.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200031.jpg

Spiky:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200032.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200037.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200039.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB200042.jpg


Where the roots originate:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB210048.jpg

This cut was done towards the bottom of the main stem. Note how there is dry, white tissue below the dermal tissue. Once dry the white tissue is light and soft, almost like styrofoam:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB210049.jpg

This cut was made made on an upper stem. All upper stems have a hollow pith:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z276/joossa/PB210055.jpg

[jimscott]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture010-3.jpg

[jimscott]

Hard to discern, but that tape is stretched out to 4':

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture001-29.jpg

I can only imagine how big they get in their natural habitat!

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture002-28.jpg

I've never seen a claw this long before. Is it still growing in length?

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture003-25.jpg

[joossa]

Good to see that you finally have some nicely sized ones coming your way! :awesome:



I've never seen a claw this long before. Is it still growing in length?


Wait until you see a one footer in person. It's like they were made to hook on the the legs of a giant sloth from the Pleistocene.

[Indigo]

to jimscott: How come your Devil get so massive.. If I recall correctly mines sprout 2 weeks a head of yours. maybe its the soil?

I planted them in a mini bog with polite and peat mix. they do better on ground soil?

My devil's claw is only 1/3 the size of yours *shame*

[Adam]

I planted them in a mini bog with polite and peat mix.

Wow, must be nice soil!

Normal soil works fine.

[jimscott]

IDK.... I planted several in front of the apartment. Some sprouted and some didn't. One looks like it was grown indoors and a few are decent sized. All are in the same soil with mulch on top. That one is just a monster.

[Indigo]

Wow, must be nice soil!

Normal soil works fine.

:-)) ty for point it out I was meant to type perlite

[jimscott]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture010-6.jpgGo figure....

[Aslan]

That's a big 'un! Now watch it produce a couple dozen large claws, and you'll be harvesting seeds for hours!:boogie: (I had 5 of them last year about that size. They are prolific, to say the very least)

[jimscott]

Can you see the extremely tiny plant off to the right of the monster? It's just a few feet away.

[jimscott]

It's like having zucchini:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture027-3.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture030-3.jpg

[jimscott]

From a small plant in a bucket just died:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture039-3.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/Picture040-2.jpg

I was surprised that it hung on long enough to actually mature looking seeds.

[jimscott]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/100_8467.jpgNo Seed Left Behind

[Wire Man]

Those are huge! I might want to get one of these plants just to use the seed pods in sculptural pieces.

[Winter Flurry]

Here is a picture of my Devil Claw plant this year and it already has a flower bud.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawsPlant5.jpg

[jimscott]

LOL! I just took this picture this morning:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2010/straus_2011/101_0368.jpg

[Winter Flurry]

Here is a picture of one of my seedpods on a Devil Claw Plant here: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawFruit2.jpg
Is it getting ready to be harversted or not?

[jimscott]

Not yet.

[Winter Flurry]

Thank you and I will see if they mature off the plant. Has anyone seed a Devil Claw fruit like this before: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawFruit3.jpg
It grew on one of my plants.

[jimscott]

Just germinated:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2012/023.jpg

[Winter Flurry]

They are so cute and here is my first flower: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/surprise_04/DevilClawsPlant6.jpg

[jimscott]

First flower of the season:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2012/001-20.jpg

[joossa]

Any luck with the Ibicella, guys? My Ibicella are barely popping up after a direct sow in the ground. I swear, they're so touchy... none of them germinated in seedling pots.

[lance]

Just opened last night:

<a href="http://s1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd495/Lance_Plater/?action=view&amp;current=DSC_0328.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd495/Lance_Plater/DSC_0328.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[Winter Flurry]

Very pretty flower. On one of my Devil Claw plants I can see the tips of the claws sticking out of the bottom of the fruit. Should I go in for the Harvest or wait a little longer? Just wondering.

[lance]

Wait till it dries and splits open... it will take a while and will get big so be patient ;).

[Winter Flurry]

Thanks and I will wait.

[pebes]

Cool claws,everyone. Is there a good online source for seed?

[Winter Flurry]

You can try the Carnivorous Plant Trading Post to find Devil Claw seeds.

[lance]

Good luck to those who are have seeds on the horizon! This extreme hot weather wiped out this years crop :(.

[jimscott]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2012/035-1.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/straus_2006/straus_2012/032-1.jpg

[joossa]

Aw, you guys are lucky. I decided to grow mine in a patch that was supposed to be half tomatoes and half devil's claws. Big mistake... the roots of the tomatoes overtook everything. They basically outgrew the devil's claws above and below ground. Both the Proboscidea and Ibicella were destroyed. Nothing made it this year. A full season wasted. :cry:

[n bicalcarata]

are they carnivorous or proto carnivorous

[hcarlton]

Neither, as far as research can find. THey have sticky leaf surfaces, but past that, there's no hard evidence they even use other insects to process nutrients, like Darlingtonia and Roridula do.

[n bicalcarata]

wow cool first time id every see one

[n bicalcarata]

they are beautiful