highland, lowland, let\'s call the whole thing off

[swords]

I'm curious as to the need for the highland Nepenthes to be subjected to the much cooler night temperatures. Will it damage a Nepenthes who is a highland species to be grown as an intermediate (apx 70* at night and 80-85* during the) day so long as the humiditity is near saturation? WIll these type of conditions work for all nepenthes species?

I don't have a specific plant in mind, my mind is just wandering... 8-)

(Edited by swords at 12:25 pm on May 12, 2002)

[Tony Paroubek]

Some highland plants may slowly decline in health if subjected to long periods of warm night temperatures. Basically what happens is the plant is using up its food reserves and resources while respiring at night. The warmer the temperature the faster these plant functions proceed. Highland plants adapted to cool temperatures may use up their food reserves before the sun shines again if temperatures are too warm. The result is they slowly starve themselves.
Tony

[Joachim]

From my experience this drop in temperature isn't enough for ultra-highland plants like N. villosa or N. rajah which do stand light frosts in their natural habit. They'll decline with time. Other species from lower elevations may be able to grow under these conditions but this strongly depends on species and clone you are growing and of course they won't grow as nice as under highland conditions.

Joachim

[nepenthes gracilis]

The only highland plant I have known to withstand your conditons would be N.Burbidgea. It will only pitcher when the nights are mild. It is a hihgland palnt but like it somewaht warmer, like about 60F at night. But yes the other hihgland palnts will be exhausted with intermedaite conditons unless the intermediate conditons are more toward hihgland. But yeah, if you put a Rajah or Villosa or other palnt like that in with let's say an N.Gracilis it wouldn't be very nice looking after a few days. http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[swords]

Thanks folks,
I was just curious as to how warm nights could possibly hurt a plant, now I see!

Let me ask you (I have no immediate plants to buy a rajah...) but how do you simulate 75* days and then near frosty nights? What kind of setup would you need to do to grow one of those "ultra highlanders"?

[whispersiren]

interesting website:

http://www.plantswithattitude.com/growDoc.html

(Edited by whispersiren at 6:40 pm on May 12, 2002)

[nepenthes gracilis]

Stimulating 75F in the day would require a sun heated terrarium and near frost level nights would be not needed unless you grow N.Villosa! http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Now my specialty Ultrahighland Nepenthes. My setup consists of 3 frozen solid bottles: 1 placed in a small cup of water and the other two are suspended in the air. Next my Ultrasonic humidifier is on and that makes 100% condensation on the plants which Ultrahighlands need. A picture of my setup I will post later tonight.

[nepenthes gracilis]

Swords, as I promised you my setup for N.Rajah/Ultrahihgland Nepenthes described above.

http://a3.cpimg.com/image/2D/F0/9998893-767c-01600120-.jpg

http://a0.cpimg.com/image/34/F1/9998900-b6e1-01600120-.jpg

[swords]

Nep G that's awesome! In true DIY spirit and everything!
8-)

A lot of work for one lil plant though (too much for me)!

[nepenthes gracilis]

That is what all of the PFT members said when they saw it! http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif And actually not only 1 little 4 inch N.Rajah, the terrarium also houses a small N.madagascariensis as seen in photo #2. The Rajah is seen in photo #1. I will be adding N.Lowii,N.Villosa and hopefully N.Macrophylla and N.Edwardsiana in time. The Macrok, and Edward I am not concerned about the price but the avilablity and WHERE to get them! *IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO GET THESE 2 NEPENTHES (N.EDWARDSIANA,N.MACROPHYLLA) MEESAGE ME PLEASE!* I am also aware that N.Edwardsiana isn't currently KNOWN in cultivation yet but I put it up there anyways. http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Gafoto]

Andreas wistuba has a selection that will boggle ur mind. :shocked: He did say in his last flyer that he had edwardsiana... I think. Heh-heh-heh. :confused:

http://www.wistuba.com/cgi-bin/store?category=nep_bor&store=cp_store&username=carnivor

[Tony Paroubek]

Andreas does not have edwardsiana. He does have edwardsiana ssp. macrophylla from time to time.

Tony

[nepenthes gracilis]

What about the true Macrophylla? Not Edwardsiana subsp. Macrophylla. I want the true-blue froms of these palnts just the palin N.Edwardsiana and the plain N.Macrophylla.

[Tony Paroubek]

Macrophylla and edwardsiana ssp macrophylla are the same thing.. Just depends which taxonomist you talk to.
T

[nepenthes gracilis]

Ohh OK! I had a totally mistunderstanding that there were 3 palnts in the Macrophylla and Edwardsiana complex. OK so where can I obtain a N.Macrophylla? * Use messanger PLEASE. http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[swords]

Does Andreas ship to the USA? Since there are prices in US &#36&#36 and in Euros I assume this guy lives in Sweden or Germany?
What's the usual time it takes to get orders from this fellow?

(Edited by swords at 5:15 am on May 14, 2002)

[Joachim]

Andreas lives in Germany and he delivers to the USA as he states on his list. Shipping times depend on weather and availability. Just ask him. I had to wait for my orders as short as three weeks up to nearly six months...

BTW just curious but its funny to see that getting some Nepenthes species is way easier here in Geramny than in the USA. Even as large plants as the one you can see on my PFT-page can be obtained, but this dealer doesn't ship to the USA.

Joachim

[arie]

Andreas Wistube ship worldwide
Yes it seems like in Germany there are few very good growers of Nepenthes and you could find in Germany lot of so called rare species . Throw my visit in Germany 2 years ago I visit lot of them and I can say they offer very good stuff some time there is a problem as plants could be quite tiny and the prices isn't cheap. Another good point is that Phyto and Cities papers aren't expensive as they are from Australia so need to make a good checking be4 order from any source.
arie

[Gafoto]

True, Arie but in his last brochure he says he has a distributor here and you don't need CITES and such. Is this true? Yar!

[arie]

that's true!!!!

[Gafoto]

DUH! I feel stupid. I live in the U.S. and it seems (from ur quip) that you live in Israel. Heheheheh... I think living in Virginia is getting to me. :confused:

[swords]

That's what I've been wondering about Melanesia Tropicals, they say they don't charge anything for Photosanitary tickets and will ship in pots. But companies who distribute plants from them list all sorts of problems. Is this just a way of avoiding competition or is it really a PITA to import plants from SE Asia and/or Germany?

How do the plants arrive? Fed Ex's delivery around here is completely worthless. I nearly had to sue em to give up my MH reflectors and water pumps! 8-(

[trashcan]

I have ordered a couple times from Malesiana Tropicals.. It does take thema few weeks to a month to get the neccessary permits ready. It also means they can't be very flexible with your order...If you want to change your order, they to re-apply for the permits. S&His also very expensive. I believe it was &#3660 for &#3660 worth of plants, and I ended up paying an additional &#3620 for "import duty." I suppose the last fee is a Japan-only thing. My newest order has been delayed several times because they are waiting for one plant to grow larger for shipping... I'm moving soon, so if they don't get here soon.. http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif .. They have a lot of unique Nepenthes, at good prices, but you have to order a bunch of plants to cover the S&H.. OK, I'll move on now and stop turning this thread into "Why Pat is upset with MT" ....

Patrick

[Gafoto]

So if I called up Malesiana Tropicals and said "I want a N. Jiggamawhat!", they would do all the cites stuff for me? I thought I had to apply for that stuff. Could the shipping be less if I did the stuff myself and can I do this stuff my self? Where am I? What's this discussion about? Aaaaaah! :biggin:

[Gafoto]

Wow, I can't type! :biggrin:

[Tony Paroubek]

To keep things short and sweet.

To send plant material internationally:

The shipper needs proper export permits and documents from his country of origin for the plants he is sending to meet his own countries export requirements and the country he is sending them to import requirements.

The receiver needs proper import permits and documents for his own country that apply to the plants he is bringing in.

T

[swords]

How do you get import permits and documents?

And why is it made so hairbrained to order a plant from Maylasia?

[nepenthes gracilis]

It is usually money and greed as we all know it. BUT not true this time! The reason is that plant material coming to the US has to be inspected first for ANY diseases as we don't want to bring in anymore into the country! But after that you have the import permits for saying that you have had those plants inspected and passed by US Dept of Agriculture. I think this is all right. Right? http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[trashcan]

It was not that difficult for me to actually get the plants from Malaysia (to Japan): MT took care of all of the paperwork (I did nothing but pay). It might be different fo the US. If you really want to know, contact sales@malesiana.tropicals.com.my or whatever the email address is, and ask them. :biggrin:

pat

(Edited by trashcan at 8http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif4 pm on May 17, 2002)