Nominations

[Copper]

This is your last chance to nominate officers

Thus for nominated
President - (Pyro)
Vice Pres - (Copper)
Secretary- (Plantakiss)
Treasurer- (Schloaty)
Head Grower- (Bugweed)
Head Conservancy- (Ozzy)
Head of Research- (ZAK)
Head of PR - (Plantakiss can take her choice)

These are not final. If you wish to nominate any one for any of these positions please do so now. They will be voted on at the next meeting. If you wish to serve on any of the committees please let me know.

Thanks

[CaptainDrosera]

I vote Spectabilis73 for research. He's really good at researching things, i chat with him a lot.

[Ozzy]

Sorry Captain, Spec dosen't meet the min. age requirement.

[Copper]

Minimum age is 18

[pond boy]

Whys that?

[Copper]

We are forming a true organization with a true board. First there are legal considerations, second we need other organizations to look at us with all seriousness, third young people tend to go off to college and have extremely busy lives for awhile. There are other reasons as well. That does not mean that those under 18 can not serve in other ways. This is for the main board only. If you are interested in helping in other areas, ie - growers, please let me know.

[pond boy]

Ummm....I don`t think I could help now....maybe later(If that was directed toward me)...When I get out through this I want to become a gastro enterolagist:)(I`d want to go through the air force where they pay for your college and you promise them 4 years of working at there hospitals) of course that can all change.

[Copper]

I hope that it works out for you.

[nepenthes gracilis]

Only thing (as I understand it) is, you can be a grower and not have to be 18. But I'm not sure even Spec can do that, let alone research.

[droseradude]

Well, John is an officer of BACPS, and hes under 18, why the age requirement? Also, college rlly dun come into consideration, as there would be re-elections every year anywayz. Just becuz a minor or two are officers, dun mean other organizations will shun you... so yea... besides I think we all kno he aint really a bad person... sure he got banned, but it wasn't for something really bad, he wasn't really purposely trying to hurt anybody, or even have any bad intentions at that..

NepG, it seems like you are being a bit shallow. He wuldn't have any CP's if he couldnt grow. Not to mention, about 18 months ago he did a tissue culture project, and got a 50% success rate (50% of the cultures died in vitro, and about 10-20% of potted plants hardening off died... and that's pretty darn good if you ask me.). It also takes a lot of research to learn and suceed in tissue culture, you kno.
i bet he could easily lead the tissue culture projects in NASC as well. he's probably more capable then yu at that kinda thing no offense...cuz i kno youre like nep master..but this is the sarracenia thing not neps... yeah ok that's all for today kids. Thank you have a nice day full of friendly encounters and good luck.
Matt

[Amateur_Expert]

Me 3. I think spec would do a great job. Even if he is under 18, he might be able to represent younger people's interests in this organization.

[Bugweed]

Thanks, Matt for your input. First, BACPS is local, not national, so there is a much larger thing going on here. ICPS is also national, and international, and no board head is under 18. Ever. Adults deal with adult issues, and we still will value the input of our younger members, that is for sure. But in charge? Not happening when you are national. Besides, Spec is where he should be. Being groomed for future dealings with larger issues. I am glad he is where he is at, because he will be a good grower, and leader in his own right, and in his own way. I still think he should be a grower too. I have confidence in his ability to grow a wide variety of CP. But a member is all he can be until he is eligible for election when he reaches 18. That is all that can be said for this. I know for his, and others positions, it sucks, but you will still have the chance to grow the plants, study them close up and first hand, have the species and locales you are looking for, and by the time you garner all the necessary growing skills, time to step up and be elected, and do your best to spread the plants and augment bogs, if called for.

[Amateur_Expert]

You guys are going over your heads with this whole "age requierment" thing. I don't think age should have anything to do with it. It isn't anything but a number in every way possible and isn't a reflection of the person. Many organizations have minors that represent them. Big organizations, as a matter of fact, bigger than this. If the person is capable of doing their job, who cares what their age is?

[AzNsUShi41]

i vote spect. bcuz he's a bright kid, and knows wat he's talking about, give him a chance to prove himself worthy.

[Ozzy]

Quote[/b] (AzNsUShi41 @ Dec. 02 2004,2:12)]i vote spect. bcuz he's a bright kid, and knows wat he's talking about, give him a chance to prove himself worthy.
Spec has had plenty of chances to prove himself. He's failed at it time after time. I agree with the age requirement but if it wasn't there I still wouldn't vote for Spec. Spec was banned for something serious. He broke the rules over and over. He harrassed other members. I personly tried to help Spec but he choose not to listen to me. If Spec can't follow the simple rules we have here I wouldn't think he could follow the guideline he would have to follow in something as serious as NASC.
This will not turn into a Spec topic, if it does the post will be deleted and the member that posted it will be warned.

[Wesley]

Spec on the leader bord.... no comment, except he's great guy, but needs to be doing other things that aren't in a leadership postition on the NASC. As for the rest of the nominations. I like them. Also, where can I find the requirements to be an officer? I know I'm too young(15) but I just wanna see what they are. Thanks a bundle.

Later
~Wes~

[Bugweed]

Odd that the age requirements would be a problem. Also odd that all the protesters are under that age. If you do not want to be a member, then don't be one. Otherwise, Spec, like the rest of you, will have to follow the rules and wait until he is of age. I also have no doubt he is pushing you guys to pipe up for him. When he is old enough, let him run for a post. (A.E. Give me one name of an organization that is national and has board members under 18, and I will see if the age thing can be reconsidered.Otherwise, take care of your trade business, and quit complaining.)

[Copper]

There is no discussion on this matter. *The age requirement was voted on and passed, even with a vote of 'yes' from an under 18 individual. *This is ended. *We do wish everyones input, but if it makes for arguments that may end. *This organization is already begining to be a tremendous amount of work and it is going to get far more so. *We will have many legal requirements to fulfill. *We will have lawsuits to avoid. *We will have unbreakable policies. *We will have to in order to survive. *That is the facts.

On spec. *I like him and he knows that, but the age requirement will not change. *Also research is going to be one of the hardest working positions and the hardest to fill. *Let him have time to get through school and be with his friends (internet and otherwise).

To age. *Guys, stop the argument, you are only backing up our decision. *When a vote is taken there is no further argument. *That is the way it works. *Also only a few things (dealing with the NASC) will be opened to discussion on this forum. *Decisions will now be left up to the board, else we would never get anything done. *If you want to nominate someone, do so *quickly because the vote is tonight (edit - tomorrow, not tonight). *They need to be over 18.

[PlantAKiss]

This whole project is not about age or officers. It is about saving the plants. THAT is the focus here! The very fact that some of you have brought up age and used it as a divisive argument only reinforces the reasons why kids aren't officers on the board of national non-profit organizations.

How about making some constructive suggestions instead of trying to create a problem where there should be none?

Yep...its frustrating when you're young and people seem to put you down because your "a kid." But we've ALL been there. All adults have paid their dues and been just where you are now. So its not like we don't understand the frustration. Unfortunately, it won't be until you get to be an adult that you'll understand why its that way. You can't see it now. But I promise you you will.

If you can't do something positive for this organization, then don't be a part of it. This is a HUGE and very serious undertaking that will take years and years to grow. We will gain members, we will lose members. So there is ample opportunity for lots of people to take part in many different ways.

Show your maturity by 1) typing and communicating like an educated human being 2) taking a role appropriate for your age today and learning as much as you can to prepare for larger roles tomorrow

There are many of you here that know I advocate for the kids any time I can. Unlike SOME people in the CP community, I think our younger members have great value and a lot to offer. You are the future for CPs! BUT...there are some things that will be beyond your scope until you are a little older.

I would suggest if anyone wishes to intelligently debate an issue, that you learn to use proper spelling and English. That goes a long way in being taken seriously.

[PlantAKiss]

Oh yeah...the vote is TONITE? I thought the meeting was tomorrow nite.

[Copper]

Ack, I am always a day off it seems. Tomorrow is Friday isn't it, Duh. The vote is tomorrow.

[pond boy]

Quote[/b] (PlantAKiss @ Dec. 02 2004,9:00)]This whole project is not about age or officers. *It is about saving the plants. *THAT is the focus here! *The very fact that some of you have brought up age and used it as a divisive argument only reinforces the reasons why kids aren't officers on the board of national non-profit organizations.

How about making some constructive suggestions instead of trying to create a problem where there should be none?

Yep...its frustrating when you're young and people seem to put you down because your "a kid." *But we've ALL been there. *All adults have paid their dues and been just where you are now. *So its not like we don't understand the frustration. *Unfortunately, it won't be until you get to be an adult that you'll understand why its that way. *You can't see it now. *But I promise you you will.

If you can't do something positive for this organization, then don't be a part of it. *This is a HUGE and very serious undertaking that will take years and years to grow. *We will gain members, we will lose members. *So there is ample opportunity for lots of people to take part in many different ways.

Show your maturity by 1) typing and communicating like an educated human being *2) taking a role appropriate for your age today and learning as much as you can to prepare for larger roles tomorrow

There are many of you here that know I advocate for the kids any time I can. *Unlike SOME people in the CP community, I think our younger members have great value and a lot to offer. *You are the future for CPs! *BUT...there are some things that will be beyond your scope until you are a little older.

I would suggest if anyone wishes to intelligently debate an issue, that you learn to use proper spelling and English. *That goes a long way in being taken seriously.
Lol.worse subject http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif Yeah you`ll be 18 soon enough(I need to get my drivers license yet.......) time passes by mighty quick! I mean it`s almost Christmass! http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_k_ani_32.gif

[pond boy]

And besides on these forums we`re treated the same no matter our age:) So you have something to keep you going yet.....

[Bugweed]

That's right, Noah. Lots to keep you going, i.e., PLANTS!

[schloaty]

Noah, you crack me up! Almost christmas! NOOOO! I haven't started shopping yet!

I'm psyched for tomorrow's meeting! Can't wait to really get down to bid'nes!

[PlantAKiss]

Just to make sure everyone is clear on the times, its 7 p.m. Eastern time, 8 p.m. Central time and 9 p.m. West coast time. I hope that's right. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[Travis]

Quote[/b] (PlantAKiss @ Dec. 02 2004,2:15)]Just to make sure everyone is clear on the times, its 7 p.m. Eastern time, 8 p.m. Central time and 9 p.m. West coast time. * I hope that's right. *Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Your times are screwed up. It would be 9pm eastern, 8pm central, 7pm mountain, 6 pm Pacific. Just thought I would let you know. http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif

[ZAK]

I Appreciate the nomination for board of research. I will say that yesterday I found out that I'm losing mY east plant tech. So esentially my work load will increase by 50% at least. For the time being I'm using my work computer, and do not have one at the house. I can probably make the meeting tomarrow though. I say this because I also have a second job, my band, and this will provide me the opportunity to netwok with people. I voluntereed for something concerning PR because I will be doing this anyways. Both for the NASC and 'DEVICE' (the band), and hopefully at the same time. I imagin many people who like our style of music enjoy growing plants, and are probably already good at it. My hopes is that I can turn them on to something interesting and LEGAL *http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *All that to say I'm just not sure how much time I will be able to dedicate to research at the moment. It's ok if I don't serve on the board. I just want to help in the most effective way possible. With this new work situation I don't want to commit to something that important that I can't accomplish. Until I have a better idea of my new situation I must respcetfully decline. I would be able to help anyway needed with PR be it on the board or directed by the board. I will not be home much after the holidays because I will be meeting, and networking with as many new people as I can reach. Thanks for you're trust and consideration. GROW NASC

[Amateur_Expert]

Quote[/b] (Bugweed @ Dec. 02 2004,8:54)]Odd that the age requirements would be a problem. Also odd that all the protesters are under that age. If you do not want to be a member, then don't be one. Otherwise, Spec, like the rest of you, will have to follow the rules and wait until he is of age. I also have no doubt he is pushing you guys to pipe up for him. When he is old enough, let him run for a post. (A.E. Give me one name of an organization that is national and has board members under 18, and I will see if the age thing can be reconsidered.Otherwise, take care of your trade business, and quit complaining.)
Nice personal stab at me. Mind your business, that doesn't concern you. I seemed to have missed the public vote you guys held on age requierment. http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif

[ChronoKiento]

I don't see the problem really. As long as you don't have to be 18 to be a member there shouldn't be THAT big of a problem.

[Bugweed]

If you want to take it personally, knock yourself out. As far as a vote, the board did the voting, and I was not included in that myself. As long as the NASC can get through its birthing, and start out, nothing else matters. The plants are at stake, and not our personal insecurities, or wants. I am concentrating on that, and the boards recommendations so we can move on, and maybe grow up and maybe become what we hope to be. If you chose to sit around and be angry, so be it. Like I said before, mind your own stuff, and let us build our Conservancy, or, put your anger behind you, and help us build it. Your choice.

BTW, A.E., There was no personal stab at you. If something said inflamed you, then it is on your end, not here.

[droseradude]

Now look here... lets say there's a 40 year old guy with an IQ of 69 (kind of like in Flowers for Algernon) who grows cps, and there's a 10 year old kid with an IQ of 124 (which is very possible, and there are a lot of people like that)... now it doesn't really matter how old you are long as you're capable eh?
An I dun remember spec "harrassing" other members... plus if he's such the kid you make him out as... would you really care being harrassed by a little boy?
People shouldn't be limited to making a difference in the world, their age is irrelevant. Now their talent and mental skill is relevant, and most of the people who know John will agree he has no lack in that area. Since he's aiming for researcher... being young can have an advantage. He's homeschooled so he has a lot of free time on his hands...free time for researching. While as, other people who have full time jobs may jus be stayin up till round 3:00, half asleep and can't remember how to spell sarracenia let alone research them...
Thank you have a nice day full of wonderful luck and happy encounters
Matt

[Tony Paroubek]

I don't want to hear about IQ's or age or Spec or any other nonsense. *Next person that brings up off topic stuff will get a warning. *This age issue is CLOSED. If you have a valid nomination only, then post below.

[Copper]

Anyone planning on attending the meeting please read my last post on "meeting times'.

[LauraZ5]

Will do.