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    If it is widely available then it is not special anymore. Why ruin a plant that special?
    What?
    If something is widely available then it is NOT special anymore? Making it available to growers "ruins" it? HUH?
    I don't understand that sort of outlook or thinking.
    So what you are implying, is that only those growers with a lot of money to throw around, is what makes them worthy of growing a specific plant?!
    Or perhaps only if a person knows another grower personally, who has some rare plant to sell/trade/ or give, THAT is what makes them worthy of getting a specific plant?
    What of the growers who live near no one, and who don't know anyone. Are they less worthy? Heck, they could be the next grower/breeder who develops the next hybrid/grex with unique and highly desirable traits in a specific plant!

    And also that if a plant is widely available, then it isn't "special".... does that mean "worth growing" or enjoying? What do you mean "special"?

    Wow! Interesting outlook you have there. One I can't really share a lot with.

    How about we limit certain plants to only those growers who have grown CP's for 10 or more years, showing their dedication to the hobby? How about 20+ years? 30?
    Where do you draw the line?
    To me, even a nicely grown common VFT is special!
    In fact to me, that is what makes a plant special. When it is well cared for... as it shows!
    Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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    I totally agree with you GrowinOld, it's just pure greed speaking when a grower says that a plant should be restrictively cultivated to retain its "specialness". Either that, or the grower just would hate to feel like they were the only one who had to cough up 100+ dollars for a smelly Sarracenia.

    It goes completely contrary to the kinship and generosity that so often defines the carnivorous plant hobby!
    Death to exclusiveness!
    Long live awesome carnivorous plants all over the place!

    (but really, all this debate was already to be had over there in that thread that was posted)
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    I think he means that when a plant becomes common it loses a lot of it's "wonder" or "awesomeness" factor, which I agree with, but only somewhat. For example, D. capensis is incredibly common and easy to grow but it's also one of the nicest looking dews. If it were rare, I can imagine people forking over a lot of money for it. But then again, vfts are awesome and don't cost much... though I guess the really fancy cultivars could be argued against that too.
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    I only said the plant is not special once it is massively produced. Take a Judith Finn for example, it is very nice plant to and enjoy but someone posted for trade with a hamata; people will laugh at the person because a Judith Finn too common. People can find it anywhere comparing to a hamata. Now if I would post an Ewarsiana for trade, I am sure everyone will be looking and even bother me with multiple PMs. The S. "Tarnok" was once a single mutated clone then it is widely mass produced and it became just a regular sarr. Mind you the word "common" vft mean not special. Even a nicely grown common vft plant will beautiful but won't be special like B52 or the Alba.

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    But that's just the thing.... Sarracenia grow relatively fast, and can be divided easily, flowering and reproducing quickly in comparison to Nepenthes.

    Plants that reproduce and spread quickly and easily shouldn't be that valuable, because in order to retain their value growers must purposefully inflate their value.

    It's not accurate to compare those plants to a rarer Nepenthes like hamata or edwardsiana, because neither of those plants grow quickly, they neither flower quickly, and they do not take cuttings easily, and they also can't self-reproduce....

    So slower growing plants are inherently more valuable because of their difficulty of cultivation, as opposed to Sarracenia, which are fast and prolific in comparison.
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    A little off subject
    What irks me to the enth degree
    naming a sarracenia when there are only a few or couple in existence i.e. Belly of Blood , leuc bris only 3 or 4 in the world(,recently named)
    Also Lamentations, Vintage Slack and several others that have been named 10+ years ago haven't been available to collector's outside of a very small priveledged trading circle
    most of these are are relativly slow growing
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    Every seed that you plant ,doesn't sprout.
    Every seed that sprouts, doesn't make it to maturity.
    Every cutting that you stick doesn't grow roots.
    Every cutting that roots doesn't grow to a small plant.
    Every small plant doesn't reach maturity.


    Who needs speelcheck?

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    Maybe it's me but I am all for mass production of.... Everything. An unlimited supply of cheap plants? Doesn't sound bad to me.

    I would love to get this plant. I'll need to save my money for the next NASC auction. I actually ate the smell of roses, but think this plant is physically outstanding. I don't know why it isn't being tissue cultured now ( or is it? Dun dun dun)

    Clint

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes View Post
    But that's just the thing.... Sarracenia grow relatively fast, and can be divided easily, flowering and reproducing quickly in comparison to Nepenthes.

    Plants that reproduce and spread quickly and easily shouldn't be that valuable, because in order to retain their value growers must purposefully inflate their value.

    It's not accurate to compare those plants to a rarer Nepenthes like hamata or edwardsiana, because neither of those plants grow quickly, they neither flower quickly, and they do not take cuttings easily, and they also can't self-reproduce....

    So slower growing plants are inherently more valuable because of their difficulty of cultivation, as opposed to Sarracenia, which are fast and prolific in comparison.


    actually......
    hamata grows quite quickly...remember neps grow year around, sarrs. have a time span to grow....some are very slow growers, and would make some Neps look quite fast...
    you can flower some species of neps in 3 years from seed, sarracenia, generally not...
    neps can self reproduce just like sarracenia, only what we call budding off of the rhizome in sarracenia, we call basals in nepenthes....
    cuttings work in nepenthes, but often times you have to completely divide up a sarracenia to go anywhere...only a few sarracenia can be propogated via leaf cuttings (rosea, purpurea, psittacina and some of their hybrids), neps however cannot go through leaf cuttings, this is true...
    but 9/10 nepenthes are generally easier to reproduce and keep alive....less pest problems, no dormancy, not as much light required, doesnt need to be kept sopping wet....
    IMO, nepenthes are far easier to produce, propogate, and grow out vs sarracenia...

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