User Tag List

Informational! Informational!:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 9 to 16 of 17

Thread: Drosera capensis 'Albino'

  1. #9
    zlookup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MA
    Posts
    416
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    i believe they are one in the same.. though clearly not the same as the one JC is referring to.

  2. #10
    Moderator Joseph Clemens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona
    Posts
    2,539
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The discussion about white flowered forms of Drosera capensis is here.

    There is no cultivar, subspecies, form, or variety of Drosera with the official name "alba", other than the species, Drosera alba.
    Joseph Clemens
    Tucson, Arizona, U S A

  3. #11
    zlookup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MA
    Posts
    416
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    that's interesting.. i wonder why so many got the illusion of Drosera capensis "alba" as being the 'white' form of D. capensis then. googling alba gets a bunch of results for places claiming the white form is officially labeled as alba.
    Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 02-28-2011 at 08:26 PM. Reason: N. A.

  4. #12
    jonnyq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    225
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Outstanding, thanks for the ICPS link... Seems I've erred in my naming for quite some time... Good to learn, thank you!

  5. #13
    Moderator Joseph Clemens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona
    Posts
    2,539
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    These two reference sites are some of the most reliable:

    CP Database and CP Photo Finder.

    Don't forget to check out the legend for the CP Database. Even invalid names are cataloged there. Valid names are those listed in dark bold type.
    Joseph Clemens
    Tucson, Arizona, U S A

  6. #14
    Doomsday's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    562
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Drosera capensis "alba" is different than Drosera alba... the alba capensis is just the white form of capensis not its own species...
    Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 03-01-2011 at 08:59 AM. Reason: N. A. - single quotes are reserved for use to indicate validly registered cultivar names

  7. #15
    Moderator Joseph Clemens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona
    Posts
    2,539
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sorry, but Drosera capensis "alba", no matter how you write it, is an entirely bogus name. Yes, it is different from the species Drosera alba. It wasn't discovered in the "wild", but occurred in cultivation. This does qualify it for being registered as a cultivar, and at least some of these white flowered plants were registered as, Drosera capensis 'Albino' -- the publishing details are linked to the name. Even though it was published in "The Savage Garden" and that publishing was recorded in the CP Database as
    N: ~[Drosera capensis var. alba {D'Amato}]
    P: Savage Garden:129 (1998)
    S: =[Drosera capensis {L.}]
    C: nom.nud.
    It is clear that this publishing was not copacetic as concerns the validity of the name, Drosera capensis var. alba.

    Currently "alba" is only valid as a name in the genus Drosera, when used for the species, Drosera alba. There is a cultivar name, validly published for these white flowered forms of Drosera capensis. However, Drosera capensis var. alba is not a validly published name, nor has it ever been.

    Bogus names are still, bogus names, even if I called Drosera capensis 'Albino', Drosera capensis "great white lotus" and convinced a hundred other growers to use that name, too. It would still be a bogus/false name and remain invalid, and likely be a source of confusion -- especially to growers attempting to learn correct plant nomenclature.

    ******************************
    An interesting observation is that plants which are actually devoid of red pigmentation in all parts, may not appear so. Apparently the droplets of mucilage on the tentacle tips will pick up and reflect ambient light from object near them, such as hands/fingers, this makes them appear to have their own, darker pigment, when, in fact, they are only green or transparent.
    Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 03-01-2011 at 10:14 AM.
    Joseph Clemens
    Tucson, Arizona, U S A

  8. #16
    Hello, I must be going... Not a Number's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Posts
    7,506
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There has been extensive discussion on this in the ICPS forum and listserv in the past.

    The cultivar name Drosera 'Albino' has been registered:

    Carnivorous Plant Names Database

    N: $[Drosera ' Albino ' {Borret & Farrow}]
    P: J.Carniv.Pl.Soc. Autumn: (1989)
    S: =[Drosera capensis {L.}]
    B: R.Borret, Oxford; N.Farrow, Felixstowe, Suffolk, early 1988
    Nominant: R.Borret & N.Farrow
    Registrant R.Borret & N.Farrow
    HC: Registered 10. 11. 1998 {JS}
    Description: J.Carniv.Pl.Soc. Autumn: (1989)
    + "After "growing-on" it became obvious that one plant was unusual for
    + it presented a white flower and not the usual pink colour. The plant
    + was propagated further by leaf cuttings and seed and was found to
    + breed "true" (i.e. white flowers were produced). Another and
    + probably more significant feature of the described form is the lack of
    + red colouration in the leaves and tentacles under various lighting
    + conditions, including strong sun."
    Standard: Savage Garden:128 (1998), (only second plant from left)
    Propagation: leaf cuttings & seed
    Etymology: after the complete lack of anthocyanins
    The controversy comes from the description: "Another and probably more significant feature of the described form is the lack of red colouration in the leaves and tentacles under various lighting conditions, including strong sun." as the majority of white flowered Drosera capensis tend to have a slight pinkish tinge to the tentacles. It has yet to be determined what R. Borret meant as "the lack of red colouration". It is still not determined if there actually is a "totally" anthocyanin free form (white flowers, clear/whiteish/greenish tentacles all levels of light) vs a anthocyanin deficient (white flowers, pinkish tentacles high levels of light). It is interesting to note that the cited photographic standard in "The Savage Garden" appears to have pinkish tentacles. The white flowered D. capensis D'Amato describes as having pale pink glands.

    Peter D' Amato has been responsible for many of the "bogus" names in common usage - many of the Drosera binata "names" for instance.

    Since most of the white flowered D. capensis does not match the cultivar description of D. 'Albino' (lack of red colouration) many people have adopted Peter D'Amato's naming.

    I just call it Drosera capensis white flowered form or D. capensis "White Flowered".
    Grand Hotel... always the same. People come, people go. Nothing ever happens.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. New Capensis, albino
    By Xeno in forum Sundews (Drosera), Byblis, Drosophyllum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-22-2009, 06:02 PM
  2. Drosera capensis 'Albino' seeds
    By dewy in forum Carnivorous Plant Trading Post
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
  3. D. capensis 'Albino' and D. capensis (typical)
    By mcrwt644 in forum Carnivorous Plant Trading Post
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 02-05-2005, 12:35 PM
  4. Drosera capensis 'Albino'
    By mcrwt644 in forum Carnivorous Plant Trading Post
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 09-15-2004, 11:56 AM
  5. Drosera capensis 'Albino' seed
    By cpza in forum Foreign Carnivorous Plant Resources
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-05-2004, 05:20 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •