Judge not lest ye be judged creates a cesspool. Judge others and prepare to be judged by them.
Just know when to keep the verdict to yourself.
I'm not entirely sure where I stand with this issue. On one hand as has been stated it is my stuff which I worked and spent my time to care for and propagate. I want to reserve the right to determine who is eligible to receive whatever I choose to give away.
I agree that simply saying an "active" member is a bit vague but then again my personal definition of such can be the same. I don't enjoy enforcing a minimum post count as it is a poor reflection of one's actual participation level. Anyone with a keyboard and Internet connection can make pointless posts that do nothing to contribute to the community. This has been shown here as well as several other forums I've been an active member of.
I don't think that my post count is anything special for 2 years on the forum and would in fact disqualify me from participating in some giveaways. As a new grower it is sometimes difficult to contribute positively to the forum. There's always asking questions but it is encouraged to learn what you can first. Apart from that without experience it's difficult to contribute to many of the threads here. I don't believe that that should instantly disqualify some people from entering though. A new grower to me should qualify for certain giveaways regardless of their ability to participate. If an effort is being made I would still consider them.
Now leaving out post count we are left with very little to use as a guideline for who we choose to qualify and disqualify. Join date is another number made available to us but suffers all the same problems as post count. Apart from that I could keep a public list of names that don't qualify for my giveaways. That is a bit crude though don't you think?
In the end it will always be my discretion that determines who qualifies, whether silently or not. I like to leave vague guidelines to allow those who wish to enter to stop and think for themselves whether they really qualify or not. This saves me some work down the line. I don't know every name on the forum and it can be a task to glance through everyone's posts.
This new rule prevents me from doing so though. I'm forced to either supply a post count minimum thus excluding possible valid entries or to simply open the giveaway to everyone and quietly throw names in the trash.
It is my opinion, after several years of participation in this particular quadrant of the CP hobbyists community - that this is an un-tameable animal, and in response to that perception I have instituted protocols to help "manage the unmanageable". While I agree that "disincentivizing open honestly" isn't necessarily good for the community, Sometimes the least disruptive, most constructive thing is to nod and smile and simply carry on with what you were doing, even if transparency has to take a back seat.
Greg the option for just a "give away" with no requirements is still absolutely available! There are plenty of people that just want to give stuff away to who ever, I think I've even seen Paul use the normal give away for something and the one for active users on other goodies.
Rule #10 was super easy to understand, clear, and necessary. Good update!
Greg, we thought it would be fairly self explanatory... But see the post I mentioned earlier in this thread. Nepenthes dubia x jamban Rooted Cutting He did not post any requirements and just relied on "for active users" to know if they qualify, these are the first 5 to sign up for it.
First post: joined august 2015 and has 34 posts ~7 in give aways
second post: has been here since Nov 2014 and has 42 posts ~13 in give aways
third post: J.Gennaro joined May 2015 and has 7 posts ~3 in give aways
fourth post: viking, joined October 2015 and has 5 posts ~4 in give aways
fifth post: plant#1 Joined April 2015 and has 29 posts ~9 in give away
Now, I only glanced so these may not be exactly accurate, and are the other posts amazingly informational and participatory? I don't know, I didn't look. But I don't think if those were MY stats, I would exactly consider myself as an "active member". And that's why we felt the need to add on that people wishing to use "Give Away For Active Members" should specify some type of requirement.
Remember, that YOU get to pick the requirements, we wanted to leave that up to you, we did discuss making up our own "what makes you "active", but deiced not to. Since as some point out, they may not want to go by post count, or time on the forum. You get to put in your own requirements, for your giveaway so make it whatever you think makes the eligible for your giveaway. Or post it as a normal Give Away and let it go to whoever! =)
Last edited by adnedarn; 10-26-2015 at 10:26 PM. Reason: Missed how many trade posts J.Gennaro had