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    Dear All Group Members,
    I am based in India and am a CP and garden enthusiast. I have a few CPs which I had got from a nursery in the USA.
    I nmainly have only sarracenias and I need all other verieties of CPs. I have many other plants and seeds for trade or i am even willing to buy at reasonable prices.
    Please let me know if anybody is interested in trade or sale to me.
    Thanks in Advance.
    Pramod Agrawal.

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    Dear Group members,
    You may even send me email directly at pramodisha@yahoo.com
    Thanks Again!!!

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    Are you familiar with CITES?

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    Are there ANY CPs that are legal to ship across national borders without extensive documentation?
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    Thanks for the replies friends.
    I am well aware of CITES and there are only few CPs which come under CITES. Rest are free from CITES.
    I have received several CPs in the past from USA, Canada and UK.
    Pramod.

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    It would depend on India's plant importation laws Scott, which I am not familiar with. As well as any laws from the exporting country.

    As far as CITES, All Nepenthes, All Sarracenia, and Dionaea are Appendix II except for a few species of Nepenthes and Sarracenia that are Appendix I
    Is that a Nepenthes in your pocket or you just happy to see me?

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    Tony, could you briefly explain the difference between the two appendices?

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    HAHA is there such a thing as a brief explanation?

    Appendix I - plants threatened with extinction. (give up all hope of ever getting a CITES I import and export permit unless your a superhero)

    Appendix II - plants threatened in the wild but not close to extinction (yet) (normal mortals can get an export permit if they try hard enough to get through the red tape and jump through numerous hoops etc etc)

    If you would like to read the text right from the CITES document dealing with classifying the 3 appendixes and conditions to import/export appendix I and II.

    ARTICLE II Fundamental Principles
    1. Appendix I shall include all species threatened with extinction which are or may be affected by trade. Trade in specimens of these species must be subject to particularly strict regulation in order not to endanger further their survival and must only be authorized in exceptional circumstances.

    2. Appendix II shall include:

    (a) all species which although not necessarily now threatened with extinction may become so unless trade in specimens of such species is subject to strict regulation in order to avoid utilization incompatible with their survival; and
    (b) other species which must be subject to regulation in order that trade in specimens of certain species referred to in sub-paragraph (a) of this paragraph may be brought under effective control.

    3. Appendix III shall include all species which any Party identifies as being subject to regulation within its jurisdiction for the purpose of preventing or restricting exploitation, and as needing the co-operation of other Parties in the control of trade.

    4. The Parties shall not allow trade in specimens of species included in Appendices I, II and III except in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention.

    ARTICLE III Regulation of Trade in Specimens of Species Included in Appendix I
    1. All trade in specimens of species included in Appendix I shall be in accordance with the provisions of this Article.

    2. The export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant and presentation of an export permit. An export permit shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Scientific Authority of the State of export has advised that such export will not be detrimental to the survival of that species;
    (b) a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that the specimen was not obtained in contravention of the laws of that State for the protection of fauna and flora;

    a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment; and

    (d) a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that an import permit has been granted for the specimen.

    3. The import of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant and presentation of an import permit and either an export permit or a re-export certificate. An import permit shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Scientific Authority of the State of import has advised that the import will be for purposes which are not detrimental to the survival of the species involved;
    (b) a Scientific Authority of the State of import is satisfied that the proposed recipient of a living specimen is suitably equipped to house and care for it; and

    a Management Authority of the State of import is satisfied that the specimen is not to be used for primarily commercial purposes.

    4. The re-export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant and presentation of a re-export certificate. A re-export certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that the specimen was imported into that State in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention;
    (b) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment; and

    a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that an import permit has been granted for any living specimen.

    5. The introduction from the sea of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant of a certificate from a Management Authority of the State of introduction. A certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Scientific Authority of the State of introduction advises that the introduction will not be detrimental to the survival of the species involved;
    (b) a Management Authority of the State of introduction is satisfied that the proposed recipient of a living specimen is suitably equipped to house and care for it; and

    a Management Authority of the State of introduction is satisfied that the specimen is not to be used for primarily commercial purposes.


    ARTICLE IV Regulation of Trade in Specimens of Species
    Included in Appendix II
    1. All trade in specimens of species included in Appendix II shall be in accordance with the provisions of this Article.

    2. The export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior grant and presentation of an export permit. An export permit shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Scientific Authority of the State of export has advised that such export will not be detrimental to the survival of that species;
    (b) a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that the specimen was not obtained in contravention of the laws of that State for the protection of fauna and flora; and

    a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment.

    3. A Scientific Authority in each Party shall monitor both the export permits granted by that State for specimens of species included in Appendix II and the actual exports of such specimens. Whenever a Scientific Authority determines that the export of specimens of any such species should be limited in order to maintain that species throughout its range at a level consistent with its role in the ecosystems in which it occurs and well above the level at which that species might become eligible for inclusion in Appendix I, the Scientific Authority shall advise the appropriate Management Authority of suitable measures to be taken to limit the grant of export permits for specimens of that species.

    4. The import of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior presentation of either an export permit or a re-export certificate.

    5. The re-export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior grant and presentation of a re-export certificate. A re-export certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that the specimen was imported into that State in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention; and
    (b) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment.

    6. The introduction from the sea of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior grant of a certificate from a Management Authority of the State of introduction. A certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:

    (a) a Scientific Authority of the State of introduction advises that the introduction will not be detrimental to the survival of the species involved; and
    (b) a Management Authority of the State of introduction is satisfied that any living specimen will be so handled as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment.

    7. Certificates referred to in paragraph 6 of this Article may be granted on the advice of a Scientific Authority, in consultation with other national scientific authorities or, when appropriate, international scientific authorities, in respect of periods not exceeding one year for total numbers of specimens to be introduced in such periods.
    Is that a Nepenthes in your pocket or you just happy to see me?

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