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    I don't know if it's endangered actually.I got one from someone in the states,and then I got this one from a friend,so I'm really not sure [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img] Anybody know for sure?Thanks.~Niki~
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    Most North American species of Utricularia are either threatened or endangered. You can go to this site and plug in the species you want to learn about and when you scroll down, the plant's status will appear but here's a basic link to see some of the Utrics represented-
    http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin....l=UTRIC

    The U. stygia is in fact endangered, scroll down and view list,
    http://www.answers.com/topic/utricularia-1

    Niki, aren't you in Canada anyway?

    To the best of my knowledge, you aren't supposed to be sending seed or plant material without the proper documentation-
    Us customs 877.287.8667
    www.cbp.gov

    CITES
    Bud 301.734.7839
    Mark 301.734.8891

    animal and plant health inspection service
    http://www.aphis.usda.gov/
    http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/about/welcome.html
    For more information on APHIS’ role in minimizing the impact of invasive species, please visit the APHIS Web site at www.aphis.usda.gov or contact:
    Richard L. Orr, APHIS Invasive Species Coordinator
    USDA, APHIS
    4700 River Road, Unit 117
    Riverdale, MD 20737–1240
    Telephone: (301) 734–8939 he is no longer at this #301.734.5136
    FAX: (301) 734–5899
    E-mail: richard.l.orr@aphis.usda.gov
    www.ANSTaskForce.gov

    These people are pretty darn helpful any time I have a question and/or concern. And, they really pick up their phones. Best to clarify with those who have forgotten more than I have ever known.

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    Thanks for the info Laura [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] I'm not allowed to send SEEDS either without a special certificate?? I thought I just couldn't send plants.I've been sending seeds with no problems,but I thought I could do it without the certificate.Oops [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] ~Niki~
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    Oops myself,

    Clarification here, To the best of my knowledge, you aren't supposed to be sending seed or plant or germplasm without the proper documentation... to the United States. I don't have any idea how sending seed or plants or germplasm from Canada to another location in Canada works.

    I should probably add that this would include not only seed and plants but vines, cuttings, slips, draws, roots, and any other vegetatively propagated part of a plant.

    There have been quite a few threads regarding this lately and here is one that addresses the issues much better-
    http://www.**********.com/cgi-bin....17;st=0

    And here's another that sort of touched on the issues-
    http://www.**********.com/cgi-bin....t=19089

    Don't worry Niki. If you recall, I sent you a bunch of seed in a bubble mailer marked "seeds" with additional writing on your envelope that said "hand cancel please" before my wings got clipped by a friend of mine who works for a government agency that deals with some of the cross over issues and her comment to me was, "You sent seeds where?" She followed that up with two little words, "No kidding". Evidently they are gearing up to start cracking down. To be quite blunt with you, I think of the US and Canada as being North America and not so much two separate countries. I have also sent seed to somebody else in Canada and I received seed from him too. Plants don't generally respect boundaries so I never truly paid much attention to the imaginary line that divides your country from mine that we call a border. To me it was about the equivalent of the imaginary line that divides Illinois from Wisconsin.

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    Laura, I am NOT allowed to send seeds to Canada? I was told that was just for the plants. Oy vey!

    Oddly enough, I CAN ship to Hawaii (as long as I don't use "soil" - whatever that means), a totally different ecology, across thousands of miles of ocean - but can't put a few seed pods worth of seeds to an adjoining land mass.

    *major cognitive dissonance* [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]

    Wait, I have an idea: I ship to Alaska and Niki rents a dogsled team and crosses the border long enough to pick up an envelope and slaloms back to British Columbia. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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    I don't even want to talk about Hawaii. We were there for a few weeks this past February... remember? What Homeland Security and the USDA did to the orchids I bought in Hawaii as we went island to island was unconscionable.

    Regarding restrictions our government has imposed on importation from other countries, I truly can see it. Jim, you of all people should be able to acknowledge the damage that "present but undetected" can do. We Americans have spent somewhere in the 160 BILLION dollar range controlling managing and eradicating introduced species. Um, that dollar amount was from just last year. Think Water Hyacinth Jim. Think Salt Cedar. Seemingly benign plants that have "escaped" and continue to "escape" cultivation. What's the next Kudzu going to be? Look what the Cane Toad has done to us. Look at what the emerald ash borer is going to do to us over the next few years... look at the damage it has already done to us. I can think of a lot better things I'd like to see us doing with that money had the presence of these species not been such a threat to public health.

    I have been dealing with exotic invasive species for a while now. The general public at large has little or no knowledge the havoc they wreak in our environment. I see it first hand every single day of my life. It sickens me. And you know something, plants really do not know boundaries so I am glad both Americans and Canadians are beginning to take more aggressive stances against importation because we really are all North American Soil and the next pathogen found to wipe out corn crops may just come from a potted plant sent to someone in Canada from China that is cultivateed and escapes. Will the border patrol be able to stop the invasion process?

    This was exactly why I posted this-
    http://www.**********.com/cgi-bin....t=18935

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    *takes deep breath* I fully understand the potential ecological impact of introducing species in ecosystems new to them and others. I read the link and the link beyond it. I concur with the concept of legisaltion to prevent ecological disaster. I am just frustrated that I cannot, in good conscience send or accept seeds, etc... and there is no way I am able to follow through with the monetary responsibility associated with CITES. And now for my favourite meal - crow! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_h_32.gif[/img]

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]To me it was about the equivalent of the imaginary line that divides Illinois from Wisconsin.
    Thats not an imaginary line. It's a toll booth.
    \"Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.\"
    --P. J. O'Rourke
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