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    Hey, if it can withstand the evolution, religious, political, and what is the easiest Drosera threads it can survive this too. I personally am still recovering from the drink metal to cure the rotting toe thread from a year or two ago.

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    buster,

    again...awful argument. Please provide some actual facts or proof of some sort that you know what you're talking about instead of just saying "you're wrong".

    "genetic diversity crap"? Man you really do have no idea what you're talking about do you? The fact that people grow plants that look good is the exact reason why relying on TC is not a viable means of protection of the gene pool for a species. Also, lets say some people make species seed. If for example, there are only 3 clones of a certain plant (talangensis lets say), and species seed is made by collectors back and forth amonst the clones, at least for 2 or 3 generations, that is not going to help the talangensis gene pool. After a certain threshhold is broken in terms of a number of wild-collected seed grown plants in cultivation, then producing and growing out species seed from these plants would be a great idea. Growing from seed will naturally weed out the slower/weaker plants, regardless of if its in the wild or in the greenhouse. Using TC also mass-produces the slower growing and/or more finicky clones that wouldn't have made it to maturity in the wild anyway. If is such a horrible idea, provide some alternative instead of just telling me its bad. Its easy to point the finger and say somethings wrong, but harder (and I guess for some painful) to think of a better way to do it. If you had read the whole topic instead of skimming it, you would've seen that I've already covered the topc of if "everyone" took seed. Its just not going to happen. There are only a handful of people that know the location of globosa, and regardless, not everyone of them is going to tell everyone they know, every one of which who is going to collect seed. Its just not going to happen. This is like saying you're going to get hit by lightning while in a submarine...possible yes, probable...absolutely not.

    Though you call my logic "convuluted", I'd rather have it than your lack thereof.
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    I find it amusing you berate me for "not showing actual facts or proof of some sort instead of just saying you're wrong" then write

    "I've already covered the topc of if "everyone" took seed. Its just not going to happen. There are only a handful of people that know the location of globosa, and regardless, not everyone of them is going to tell everyone they know, every one of which who is going to collect seed. Its just not going to happen."

    That sure sounds like your opinion to me - I don't seem to be able to discern the factual portion of that statement.

    I also never mentioned tissue culture. I'm all for growing plant material from seed - all my statement said was lets produce seed from the already collected material.

    Genetic diversity crap - perhaps if you care to reread my post I implied that the genetic diversity arguement is irrelevant for the average person growing a pretty plant in a pot at their home. I understand the need for genetic diversity in an in situ population, but please explain to me why it makes any difference if plant place XYZ sells a million plants with the exact same genetic make-up to plant growers- none of them or their offspring , or theirs, etc, are ever going to make it back into the wild. "Captive plant" genetics and the wild population gene pool are 2 distinct things.

    I also think you're being a little too sensitive- I never said you were wrong about anything- the part of your statement I have a problem with is your implication that since only a small amount of seed will germinate in the wild it will do no harm to collect seed from those plants. This is apparently a philosphical difference we have- and no amount of your insults will change my mind about that. By the way - I am quite content with my biology credentials and would be happy to match them with yours degree for degree.

    also this is not fighting- this is the exchance of ideas and opinions- sometimes exchanges can get intense but that is how ideas are discussed and information is passed along. You want fighting go to a convention of scientists.
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    Yeah NeciFiX....that convo is intense, but not fighting. As buster1 said...thats more or less how science debates go haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by xvart View Post
    I would think that the 2% wild survival rate would be a strong argument for leaving seed pods in the wild. With such a low survival rate wouldn't that make it more important to leave pods in the wild?

    xvart.

    Ur correct.

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