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    Sphagnum bog

    While trekking through through the wetlands surrounding the pond near my house I found large amounts of sphagnum moss. The area had very sandy soil, constant water, and lots of sun. It is a beautiful area, except it has been neglected greatly. There is trash everywhere, and people used the area as a dumping ground in the 70's. There are no cps but there are other bog plants like xyris. I am thinking of starting a project to clean it up and to protect it. There are no cps, but there probably were a long time ago. I would like to plant some Purpureas, utrics like inflata, and drosera like filiformis, intermedia, and rotundifolia. I will post pics in spring.

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    @nep: be careful when introducing "new" species into an ecosystem. much research as to go into this, as well as government approval, especially if dealing with public property. how do you know if CPs used to grow here? would be good to go into research and see if past history records indicate that your assumptions are valid. worst case scenario, there could be endangered sarracenia present there that you might not know about and introducing purpurea there can cause them to hybridize and you could end up losing the endangered population--such a case happened in TX where someone introduced some leucophylla in an area that had alata. hybridization occured, and number of pure alata dwindled....

    you are much better off just cleaning the bog and leaving it be. you might never know---that could give the native cps the advantage they need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amphirion View Post
    @nep: be careful when introducing "new" species into an ecosystem. much research as to go into this, as well as government approval, especially if dealing with public property. how do you know if CPs used to grow here? would be good to go into research and see if past history records indicate that your assumptions are valid. worst case scenario, there could be endangered sarracenia present there that you might not know about and introducing purpurea there can cause them to hybridize and you could end up losing the endangered population--such a case happened in TX where someone introduced some leucophylla in an area that had alata. hybridization occured, and number of pure alata dwindled....

    you are much better off just cleaning the bog and leaving it be. you might never know---that could give the native cps the advantage they need.


    I second that.

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    Drosera seeds can lie dormant for years, so they may pop up once the place is cleaned up a bit.

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    Drosera may be present but you may not notice the winter buds due to their shape and lack of red coloring. The easiest way to spot CPs is during their flowering season, otherwise an inexperienced CP seeker could be trodding on the very plants they are looking for without even knowing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mato77429 View Post
    Originally Posted by amphirion
    @nep: be careful when introducing "new" species into an ecosystem. much research as to go into this, as well as government approval, especially if dealing with public property. how do you know if CPs used to grow here? would be good to go into research and see if past history records indicate that your assumptions are valid. worst case scenario, there could be endangered sarracenia present there that you might not know about and introducing purpurea there can cause them to hybridize and you could end up losing the endangered population--such a case happened in TX where someone introduced some leucophylla in an area that had alata. hybridization occured, and number of pure alata dwindled....

    you are much better off just cleaning the bog and leaving it be. you might never know---that could give the native cps the advantage they need.

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    The owner obviously does not care about the property. I live in a homeowners community and the site is right in the middle of it. It is surrounded by thick brush and oaks and invasive Rubus phoenicolasius. I have already made some cleanup efforts. While at the location I made sure I did not step on any sphagnum (which was very hard to accomplish) and could not detect any drosera hibernacula or even utricularia. I am planning to go back in June and hopefully there will be a few plants then.

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    While I tend to agree with not messing with nature,
    I sometimes think we can get to be a bit over-reactive with things.
    As long as man has inhabited this planet, he has altered the environment.

    Many of the so called "natural" stands of carnivorous plants (especially in our area here)
    are growing where they are as a result of people altering the environment.
    Sundew (orchids, etc.) growing in old abandoned railroad ditches that were dug
    generations ago. Same for abandoned building sites that were left when the big city stopped expansion ...around the time the depression hit or before.

    There is a lot of incidences where man has screwed up his environment,
    and also some where he actually helped it.
    I am not for recommending that people run out & start planting plants all over,
    as that will likely spell disaster.
    However I do realize there are times where it can work out for the best.

    Again, I am not saying people here should go out planting things in the wild... not by any means. I am just suggesting that we may need to look outside the box once in a while.

    However in the case of having kids randomly deciding to plant some CPs in the local bog,
    I wholeheartedly agree that it can have real bad consequences on the native plants.

    I think we all want an environment where CP's will be growing in the wild for generations to come. I hope we are all smart enough & yet all open enough to be willing to do (or not do) whatever is necessary to make that happen.

    Good Luck all.
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    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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