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    It is so true that we take paradise and put up a parking lot. One day, it will all be parking lots.
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    7/3/2003

    Today is a sad day for America, as well as the rest of the world. For at precisely 10 O'clock AM on July 3, 2003, the ground breaking ceremony for a new shopping center began as three bulldozers rolled into the last of the remaining carnivorous plant habitats in the United States of America. The once beautiful bog, located in a glacier carved valley, has now been turned into piles of debris which will soon be covered with fill dirt and leveled. The bog once was home to the Northern Purple Pitcher Plant (Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea) and Round Leaf Sundews (Drosera rotundifolia). The sleepy town that once was over ten miles from the bog had grown rapidly and suitable new developments were a top priority for contractors in the area.

    Naturalists and Conservationists have tried over the last 10 years to save over 100 Carnivorous Plant sites in the United States without success. Although several U. S. carnivorous plant species had been put on the Federal Endangered Species List, the laws and regulations in place were simply not enough. Carnivorous plants in the United States have lost the battle of Man versus Nature. Today only a handful of American Carnivorous Plants can be found in private collections of growers around the world. Gone is the day when the public could easily view these natural wonders in their native habitats as these habitats are parking lots for shopping centers and fast food restaurants.

    It hasn't happened......yet.
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    I think I can think clear enough to respond to this now.

    I emailed the guy that put up the website and asked if he would come here to make a response. Here's his reply:

    Well I tried to add a story to the forum but it seemed to dissapear into oblivion. I'm out of time too. I'll be adding more new pics to my website soon.
    R. Zerr

    I'll see if he'll come back and try again.

    There is at least two sides to every story. There is no black and white line between right and wrong in all cases like this. Development must go on. Everyone of us drives on roads, shop at stores, eat at restaurants, use electricity, the internet etc, etc, etc, How many of you would give all that up? Not me, nor any one of you. We all have to compromise. Notice I said "all", That means we have to compromise some of our cp sites so other people can earn a living. And it also should means that some development should be stopped to save some of our cp sites. The big business has a very loud voice. The plants have no voice. We have to be the voice of the plants. We can't save every site, but if we do nothing no sites will be saved. That's why we have to fight to save every site that we can.
    I used to live in Brunswick county, North Carolina. I worked there too. I'm a construction electrician so I have worked on hundreds of construction sites in one of the best places in the world for cp's. I worked on golf courses and hog farms two of the biggest threats to cp's in NC. I even worked at International paper mill in Riegelwood NC. They are the biggest threats to cp's in Brunswick County. Since I'm an electrician I never saw the land as it's bulldozed but I'm sure that I did my part to put thousands if not millions of cp's to death. It paid for my cars, my clothes, my food, all the stuff that I have. Of course that was before I really got into cp's. It's really hard for me to think about now. I think that guilt is why I'm so eager to do what ever I can to save as many sites as I can. And why it tears me up inside to see photos like the one on that website. Two of the most gut wrenching pics for me are the ones that's on Barry Rices website of the concrete truck http://sarracenia.com/photos2/habfl06.jpg and the for sale sign http://sarracenia.com/photos2/habfl05.jpg .

    That's the reason I wanted to start this forum. So that if you had a site that is threaded you can post all the info about it here. We all can email, call, write letters, sign petitions to save a site. It may be too late for the site on that website but It's not too late for all the sites. I would like everybody here to do some research and find the closest cp site to them. Find out who owns it. Find out what his intentions are with the land. Let him know how special the plants are that he has. See if you can get his permission to take care of the plants and make sure they are not threaded by anything. Let us know about the site you've found. And if one day your favorite cp site goes up for sale buy it if you can. If you can't, and it's planned to be developed post it on here along with all the contact info you have on the county officials and planning board. Well start a drive to save that site.

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    if you read another post in this forum "Vermont cp's" you will read that my stepsister who is 28 has property with alot of sundews (i think D. Rotundifolia) and a few pings...but, she owns that property with only a quarter of what else can be found off her property.....theres a lake about a 10 minute drive from there house with a whole part of the shore covered with sundews. When I was there last summer..i noticed holes where plants had been dug up. I would like to see if this place was protected, from further wild collection.
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    well...
    that's about the most depressing thing i have seen for quite a while. i'm not qoing to preach about how these stores / shops / parking lots shouldn't be built or whatnot...

    instead, i am asking all of you, to please give me some info and any tips you might have, as to reasearching if i have any possible cp sites around me. i live in the city, but i'm on the outer edges, with a lot of open spaces around.

    i remember on the first bog trip, that there seemed to be skunk cabbage growing in the same areas as the cp's. is this common? are there other plants that i could be looking for, say, while driving down the road, that might indicate a natural cp site? or should i simply be looking around aimlessly for 1" diameter sundews?

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    its no wonder the planet has no many problems. humans can't wait to build stuff to make money.... its a shame - we are slowly killing ourselves. my favorite line for Termanator 2 - when the little kids are playing with the toy guns ad arnold says- something like humans will be the cause of there destruction. other words we will kill off are on population. man if i new they were going to destory the bog area i would have brought abunch of people with me and spent days/hrs digging up as many types of cp that i could and just put them in pots and sell them to other people. if there is still some around go dig them up [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] i'm sure some people on this board would buy them including myself [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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    man if i new they were going to destory the bog area i would have brought abunch of people with me and spent days/hrs digging up as many types of cp that i could and just put them in pots and sell them to other people. if there is still some around go dig them up i'm sure some people on this board would buy them including myself.[/QUOTE]

    I know this is the first reaction that you have. I know your intent is very good, and you're thinking about the welfare of the plants, but it's not the best thing to do. There is a fine line between saving doomed plants and poaching. Taking plants out of a doomed bog selling them and making a profit on the destruction of a bog is wrong and it is considered poaching, and it's also illegal.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying let the plants be killed. The best thing to do is to get permission to relocate the plants to protected bog that has the same species and varieties of plants.
    As a last resort you should dig them up, keep very good location data, record everything date collected and reason they were collected and distribute them to as many "responsible" growers as possible. If the time ever comes the offspring of these plants should be used in restocking bogs.

    I know that alot of the things i stated above will probably never happen, "restocking bogs ect." but you should be willing to do it if you want to do the right thing.

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    What needs to happen is to get the politicians that are not for the environment out of office (i.e. the Republicians) and get the pro-environmental politicians back in office (i.e. the Democrats) get the funding for enforcement back into the laws that have been written. Then we get some really good environmental lawyers who are willing to go after these developers who are destryoing these bogs. It will only take one or two law suits because once they catch one or two of them destroying a bog and the courts slap them with a heafty fine plus the cost of restoring the bogs. Can you imagine having to buy 10,000 sarracenia flava and leucophylla plants plus the cost to restore the hydrology, the soil structure and the ecologists to replant the bog? It won't happen again I promise. Word would get out and quick!
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