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Thread: Hiding vs. publicizing

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    It looks like a topic was removed because of a concern about publicizing locations of endangered Sarracenias. I think that's the wrong approach.

    Maybe populations of endangered Sarrs on protected land should be kept secret, because the primary threat to them is poaching. But is poaching the major threat on private land? Although I have no way of knowing, I doubt it.

    I think the only hope for Sarrs on private land is to have their locations be known so concerned people can keep an eye on them. How many times have we heard about Sarrs threatened by something? The fact someone knew means something can (might?) be done in response to the threat.

    If landowners are the only ones in a community who know where the Sarrs are, the plants have no protection at all. If others know where the plants are, they can publicize the threat. Whether it's a proposed development or a farm spraying within a pesticide buffer zone, we have to hope someone in the community notices and raises the alarm.

    Some plants will be lost to poachers if locations are common knowledge, but it's better than having entire populations sprayed or drained or bulldozed or whatever.
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    I made the decision to move the topic to the mod forum until Barry makes the decision on whether to make it public or not.

    I was undecided on whether that post should have been put on here in the first place. But since it was Bugweed that put it up I let it stay because I trust his judgment. The topic stayed up for awhile and there was no real ideas came from it. I decided that since it wasn't generating any ideas that it could be doing more harm than good. So I decided to move it until somebody more suited to make the decision (Barry) can decide. I'm working on an official letter from the NASC to the EPA, and suggested that Barry do the same on behalf of the ICPS. That is all I know to do.
    If you have any ideas we are all ears.

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    Good idea. I think that this is a serious issue, and needs to be addressed. I personally agree with the all know/everybody watch. Better still, those who have seed from these areas, give it to the NASC with locale info, and we will code it through the ICPS, and send them out. Nobody has to worry if every body has them.
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    I posted that this topic should be removed. I am glad it has been.

    I had been reading the News section of the ICPS website about the conference in Lyon and read this, "John Brittnacher gave a talk on conservation of endangered Sarracenia species in the south eastern USA. The talk was characterized as depressing because the biggest issue for these species at the moment is theft of plants."

    I agree with Bugweed that conservation minded, concerned individuals need to know where these areas are so they can be protected. However this is an open forum that can be accessed by anyone. Why make it easy? With a little work, I am sure a person with bad intentions can find out where these plants reside but let's not advertize.

    When lived in downtown Detroit (Hamtramck) I didn't leave my doors unlocked when I wasn't at home. While this would not stop a thief it will stop crimes of oppertunity. Unlocked doors equal easy access.

    I have been meaning to post on the CP Listserver asking if the Lyon speaches are published. It would nice nice to post John's speach here for everyone to read.

    Ozzy, maybe you could ask Barry when you coorespond on this subject.

    Everyone growing these endangered plants, please spread your seed out into the general CP comunity. Like Bugweed said the more people who grow these plants, the less pressure there will be to collect them from the wild.

    Just my thoughts.

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    I think there is actually a middleground here. Some plant populations are more threatened by poaching, and some moreso by developement. It all depends on where they are.

    Poaching would be a threat on protected land, I would think, like national parks. Those locals should not be published.

    However, developement is more of a threat in populations on non-protected land near fast-growing communities. These, maybe, could be made public.

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    I agree that there has to be a middle ground. I was never comfortable with this topic being discussed here. If was getting productive ideas I would have more likely to let it stay. Instead it was just sitting here like a huge billboard. I felt that it was doing a lot of harm and getting nothing positive in return. I decided to let somebody more experienced make the decision.
    Glenn, I have already sent Barry a pm concerning this.

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    Hey Guys,

    Uh, I think I missed something here. Sorry! Sometimes I spend a lot of time of terraforums, other times long time passes between visits. If anyone has a comment for me to address, please don't hesitate to email me directly. Just PMing me may take a long time for me to respond since my visits are sporadic.

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    Well select people should know locations (Barry Rice, other promenant cp "leaders" (of conservation). I would love to be one but as of yet do not have enough conservation credited to me or an actual reputation. I do not think the cp community needs to know in general.

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