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    As you know, I salvaged a 30 gallon long tank recently and donated the oversized residents to my LFS. It POd me to find that they're charging $50 each for the clown loaches and already sold the plecos for $30 each and didn't offer a trade.

    Now, my question, what do you think of these suggestions for the tank.

    Blue Rams (4)
    Leopard Ctenopomas (4)
    Cardinal Tetras (6-8)
    Corys (3)
    Ottos (3-4)

    The filter is an Aquaclear 500 (now the 110) which I believe will provide adequate filtration. I'll set the tank up, add some plants and go fishless for a month or so. I have the old gravel, and filter inserts so cycling should not take too long, and I picked up the biomax component for biological filtration. The guy who had it before ran it just with the sponge and charcoal (yeah, I know about Purigen Clint!).

    So, what do you all think?



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    I wouldn't do business with them again.

    I'd do a pair of rams and a dozen neons (cardinals if you want. I prefer neons ) 3 otto's too.

    I'd leave it at that. I think tanks with too many fish of multiple species makes a tank unnatractive. the rams will be the showcase fish, the neons will add some activity and the otto's can be the cleanup crew. I'd skip the cory's unless you have your heart set on them. I'd also add some amano shrimp. A giant filter feeding shrimp would be a nice peaceful conversation piece, too.

    Why wait a month? you've got the bacteria, the plants, and I hope the lights and co2 and ferts. i'd wait a week then add the rams, wait untill the bio filtration has stabalized add the ottos, wait untill the bio filtration is stabalized add 6 tetras then add 6 more in a week or when the bio filter is stabalized. Should have asked me first because i've got a bag of biological media i'm never gonna use lol.


    The Ctenopomas will eat the tetras.

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    I would not recommend the cardinal tetras. They are almost all wild caught fish, not well cared for during the transportation/acclimation process, and many die soon after purchase. For example, I bought several batches of fish, 40 in total, and only 6 have survived.

    And I don't think I'm an inept fish keeper, I quarantined the fish in a properly seasoned tank (that contained a lot of healthy moss to increase the biofiltration), acclimated them by the drip method...all the same process I've used for all my fish (including rather delicate marble and silver hatchet fish).

    I've read on several online forums of experienced fish keepers having the same problems. Of course, some people have better luck, which may greatly depend on the quality of the stock you purchase (i.e. already acclimated).

    On the bright side, those six cardinals that did survive are extremely healthy and robust.

    Just consider yourself cautioned!

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    Thanks for the advice and warnings guys. Clint's fish suggestions sound good. The leopard ctenpomas seemed docile in the tank and the LFS guy said they were community but I've read much about their aggression.

    I won't get the cards...thanks for the warning.
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    The Ctenapomas would eat the Cardinals for sure. And as said earlier, they are wild caught from S.A. and go through an acclimation process while at wholesalers. A tankful of acclimated Cardinals is attractive. If it were me, and having something for the kida. I would stock them with Guppies, Mollies, Platties, and Swordtails, with some floating vegetation. And then just let nature take its course!

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    Hi,

    Cardinals are tricky but doable. First, make sure the LFS has the cardinals in a tank all to themselves -- very important. Make sure they bag them alone -- not with any other fish. Check the fish in the tank. Do they have full tummies? Are their any slow moving ones or ones hanging around away from the school -- a bad sign? Do any have white/grey areas forming -- bad sign. Check their mouths to see if they are all closed -- if not, bad. Ask for them to be fed a tiny bit. When you get them home isolate them from all other fish -- period! Change 50% of their water every day. Feed often on small amounts of live or frozen foods. Do this for 2 weeks. If they are going in a community tank with non-wild fish, place 1 or 2 in first and wait 2 weeks. If they make it put in the rest. You are working to avoid a Columnaris outbreak which is most likely what is killing your fish. Once cardinals are established they live forever but don't dump new ones or even other tetras on top of established ones. Make the cardinals the only fish in the tank or the last and final addition to a tank. Soft acid water helps too but is not absolutely required.

    Bobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ Dec. 02 2006,12:59)]I'd do a pair of rams and a dozen neons (cardinals if you want. I prefer neons ) 3 otto's too.
    I'm not sure why I listen to this JLAP dude, but I did what he said. Well, I have six neons so far and will add more later.

    I started with six neons 10 days ago. They've been great, so I put in three ottos and a pair of blue rams yesterday.

    The ottos are nice and big (at least 1"). They were a good price at 99 cents each, so if they die (hopefully not), I won't be out much.

    I tried to get a sexed pair of rams but they're young. The one has a pink belly and clearly looks like a female. The other is the same size, no pink belly, but does not have longer points on the dorsal fin. They both are slightly under one inch and pink belly (named Heimlich by my daughter) chases the other one (named Chives) around.

    Plants in the tank?
    Cryptocoryne lutea
    java fern
    micro sword
    rotala indica (round green leaf and narrow pink)
    amazon swords
    onion plant??
    java moss
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    Lol, You KNOW I know what looks good

    As far as the plants go, I'll be sending you

    Rotala Macandra
    Rotala macandra "green narrow leaf"
    Hydrocotyle verticillata
    Java Fern Windelov
    Anubias Barteri

    Dwarf Lobelia in the spring
    Downoi in the spring
    Pellia in the spring

    Maybe some didiplis diandra and Proserpinaca palustris and HC in the spring if I have success with them.


    Maybe some Blyxa japonica and some others like limnophila, stargrass, hygro. Depends on how fast they grow for me. Those should be ready sometime this week.

    I've got an emersed crypt lucens you can have, too.


    With those fancy lights, i'd try to grow the high light stuff. Other wise i'd feel like I wasted my money.

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