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    im sorry trapper..

    it probably wasnt ich that did them in,
    it was probably ammonia in the water. (uncycled tank)

    If you want to try again with the 10 gallon, you could try "fishless cycling"
    (which you DO actually need test kits for!

    or it should be safe to cycle with maybe 2 tetras, as long as you do 25% water changes daily until the tank is cycled..(a few weeks)

    your tank has probably started to cycle..
    and you probably have the beginnings of a bacteria colony in your filter media.

    I would keep the the tank running..with the water in it with no fish, dont replace or throw away the filter media..maybe keep adding the ich medicine to the tank to kill any of the buggers that are in there before you add more fish..(maybe run the tank empty, no fish, while adding the ich medicine for another week or two)

    then fill a 5-gallon bucket with tap water, let it sit for 24 hours (to dispell the chlorine and to warm to room temp)

    drain out 50% of the tank and re-fill with the 5 gallons from the bucket.

    Do it again 24 hours later.

    then you will only have 25% (more or less..the math isnt qite that simple, but it doesnt matter right now..) of the "original" water in the tank, and 75% "fresh", but your bacteria colony wont be much effected..(yes it might die off a bit without "food"...but it probably wont die off completely.)

    stick two tetras in the tank and start over..the tank will continue the cycling process that was already underway.

    personally I like "fishless cycling" because there is zero risk of hurting any fish in the process..
    it is somewhat complicated, btu easy enough once you get going and understand what you are doing..
    just google it, lots of info will come up..
    here is how I did it, (copied from my webpage..because geocities sucks)

    (from Scot's discus page)

    Page 2. The Fishless Cycle.
    March 12 - April 17, 2001
    5 weeks! (a bit longer than normal)

    I knew I wanted to do a fishless cycle on this tank.
    because it would prepare the biofilter for the fish without
    going through all the mess and bother of using actual fish.
    (and possibly harming or killing those fish in the process!)
    I had never tried it before, but after reading a lot about it on the internet
    I deceided it was definately the way to go.

    The tank contains one large sponge filter (a hydro V)
    and a whisper power filter. the sponge is meant strictly for biological
    filtration, the whisper (later changed to an aquaclear) strictly for mechanical filtration.

    I filled the tank with water on March 11, turned on the air for the sponge filter,
    (the whisper was left off for the entire fishless cycle) and just let it sit for 24 hours.
    (to dispell chlorine)
    then on Monday, March 12, I began the cycling..
    I added 1/8 Tsp ammonia, that brought the ammonia level in the tank to 0.25ppm
    added another 1/4 Tsp, brought the level to 0.50ppm.
    added more and more ammonia until the level reached 4.0ppm.
    I squeezed out the filter media from my planted tank into this tank
    to get those bacteria going..then tested.

    conditions at the end of day one were:
    ammonia 4.0ppm
    Nitrite 0ppm
    Nitrate 0ppm.

    then waited...I added no new ammonia at all during this first phase.

    day 2, conditions the same..
    day 3, the same..
    day 4, still unchanged..
    day 10..still no change *sigh*
    day 18 STILL unchanged! grrr!
    this was getting very frustrating! nothing was happening!

    I was still adding filter squeezings now and then from the other tank, I cut some plants from the other tank and dumped them in..nothing was working..

    finally, Day 23, April 3rd, 3 weeks since the start, a TRACE of Nitrite! 0.25ppm! woo hoo!
    and ammonia had fallen from 4ppm down to 2ppm!

    the next day, Nitrite even higher! 2ppm..and ammonia lower, 1ppm!
    it was working!

    now here is where I made a mistake..from all the reading I had done on fishless cycling I was under the impression that once nitrites appear and ammonia levels begin to fall, you must start adding ammonia again! because the bacteria are finally multipling and Eating the ammonia right?! made sense to once nitrites appeared, I started adding small amounts of ammonia again.
    I added 2 Tsp's ammonia on 4/4, 4/5, and 4/8..during this time ammonia stayed steady at 0.5ppm, and nitrite stayed at 5ppm...Nitrates also appeared and steadily climbed..but the mistake was adding more doing that, I was feeding the bacteria that were producing nitrites, and causing them to create much MORE nitrite than I needed to complete the cycle! Geoff and Dave C. , my friends from the freshwater forum, finally convinced me to stop adding ammonia..and it took another 7 days for the cycle to finish after from the time nitrites first appeared to the final end of the cycle was 14 days! much longer than normal..adding ammonia when nitrites appeared probably prolonged the cycle by at least a week!

    But finally, on April 17, Day 37, it was done!


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    Another thing concerning "quick fish death" that many people dont know or understand..

    even in a well-established healthy tank, often when you buy new fish from a fish store, they quickly die! and it has nothing to do with your tank..


    because "fish store fish" are very stressed before you buy them..they have often spent weeks or months in very sub-optimal conditions..(especially if they are "wild caught" and shipped half way around the world)

    So by the time you buy the fish and put it in your tank, the fish is already 90% of the way to simply finishes that last 10% in your tank..even if your tank's conditions are great and much better than its previous conditions..if it already "too far gone" your tanks good conditions wont save it..

    I bought 4 Siamese Algae Eaters six years ago..all from the same "population" at the fish store.
    Two died within days..
    the other two are still alive and well 6 years later.

    I have also had this happen with Ottos and tetras...Ottos especially are notorious for this..
    they either die within 24 hours of being in your tank, or they live happily for 5 years!

    I have tetras and one angelfish going on 8 years old..they arent supposed to live that long!

    If the fish get "over the hump" and recover in your tank, they should go on for years..

    just another thing to keep in mind about "mysterious fish death"..

    but having said all that..your tank still needs to be cycled!


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    Thanks Scot. I don't know what I want to do now. I feel like just getting some fire bellied toads, lol. I'm bummed out. I really did try my best!
    Great Googly Moogly!

    Beware of the yellow snow!

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