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    Betta Breeding '10

    Well i thought i would move this into its own subject because i have definitely chosen to try to breed bettas again. so i have the basic's down and have gotten babies before just haven't gotten them to reach maturity do to a food shortage. So im going to give it another go, 3rd time around hope everything goes well. Currently im in the process of ordering all my supplies, and live food cultures.

    here is what i plan to breed them with please let me know of any alternatives i could use.
    1. 30 gallon tank, about half full, no gravel
    2. 2 clover sponge filters, now i do have to order these online, and i did use these for my last batch, they are supposed to fill with the micro organisms that can also double as an alternative food source, is there any alternative with filters or is sponge the only way? no filter?
    3. aquarium heater
    4. live plants, possible additional food source
    5. live food cultures
    6. brine shrimp net, for rinsing live food.

    and probably some other things, maybe i just can't think of them at the moment

    some questions i never answered, got too...

    Do female bettas come in special varieties, or are they always just labeled as female?

    How do you class a fish? i've seen all the varieties, but when it comes to crossing and breeding how do you class your betta offspring? just on looks or does it greatly matter on what you cross? ex: crown tail male x regular female= regular females, slight loss of crown tail in males, and some common males? its been awhile and i haven't seen actual colors from my cross, so i don't really know this one.

    i do have 2 betta books that ill probably re-read through before i start too, they both are very good books ill post the title & authors soon too.

    and maybe we will start the conversation here , love to see pics of your fish too, and maybe offspring results, and classification pics (crowntail, halfmoon, etc)

    dustin

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    fwiw: please start your breeding tank with a smaller 5 or 10 gallon tank. here's why---when the babies become free swimming, the concentration of food will be much higher in a 5 or 10 tank as opposed to a 30 gallon tank. plus the fry mortality will be much higher initially in a 30 gallon tank, because they will expend most of their energy swimming TRYING to find food as opposed to actually eating it. once when the babies get larger (1 inch) it would be safer to move them into the 30 gallon to grow them out since they'll be strong enough to look for and hunt larger food items.

    female bettas come in all sorts of special varieties as well: crowntail, rosetail, halfmoon, etc---better to get these from a breeder than from the pet store, since their pedigree would be assured as opposed to mutts.

    as for betta genetics, every type of tail is a recessive trait except for the veil tail. DO NOT use these bettas for your genetic pool as they will transform your next generation into veil tails, and it will be highly unlikely if you'd ever get something exhibiting the recessive trait out of that 2nd generation (crowntails will show partial dominance)--and it will take perhaps up to 5 generations till you'd see that recessive trait ever again (especially if it's a halfmoon).
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    Quote Originally Posted by amphirion View Post
    better to get these from a breeder than from the pet store, since their pedigree would be assured as opposed to mutts.
    I also hear breeding brother x sister has more fertile results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amphirion View Post
    fwiw: please start your breeding tank with a smaller 5 or 10 gallon tank. here's why---when the babies become free swimming, the concentration of food will be much higher in a 5 or 10 tank as opposed to a 30 gallon tank. plus the fry mortality will be much higher initially in a 30 gallon tank, because they will expend most of their energy swimming TRYING to find food as opposed to actually eating it. once when the babies get larger (1 inch) it would be safer to move them into the 30 gallon to grow them out since they'll be strong enough to look for and hunt larger food items.

    female bettas come in all sorts of special varieties as well: crowntail, rosetail, halfmoon, etc---better to get these from a breeder than from the pet store, since their pedigree would be assured as opposed to mutts.

    as for betta genetics, every type of tail is a recessive trait except for the veil tail. DO NOT use these bettas for your genetic pool as they will transform your next generation into veil tails, and it will be highly unlikely if you'd ever get something exhibiting the recessive trait out of that 2nd generation (crowntails will show partial dominance)--and it will take perhaps up to 5 generations till you'd see that recessive trait ever again (especially if it's a halfmoon).
    about the tank size, i actually didn't have much of a problem starting out in the 20 gallon long tank i used, just now it is a propagation tank i figured i wouldn't have many problems with the 30 gallon. i heard having more water helps keep less waste from building up in the water, to help keep the fry alive. at the same time i will have 2 sponge filters, and the tank will only be half full, 6-8in of water. along with the live plants. i grew my fry to a few millimeters , and they seemed to be happy, and swimming around in the 20 long at half full. I also started out feeding with microworms rather than infusoria, so the tank was i guess more designed for survivial of the fittest, but i had a good 50 or so in there that seemed to be in very healthy condition....until i ran out of food, ill have to stock up a little more next time.

    thanks for the info regarding genetics too, my last attempt and this attempt will probably be more of a mutt thing to ensure i can pull off a successfull breeding, then maybe ill start looking more into genetics. for now its pick ones that i like and see what happens. though i did hear that the fish can have offspring that don't resemble the parents at all too. its probably been 1-2 years since i've read up about them so i might be off a little

    limeslide: brother x sister: i haven't heard of more fertile results, but i think that could be a way to preserve a particular trait that you like, but how many times of inbreeding until you've genetically weakened the fish? Or does it happen? haha might have to count me as a newbie to this again. I was pretty sure too much inbreeding of any species results in a less hardy organism do to the mixing of genes

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    Breeding brother to sister is not only OK, but it is also desirable and most often absolutely necessary to get any kind of decent results. You can cross brother to sisters up to 6 generations without ill effect. Doesn't genetically hurt the fish, either.

    Many also have the misconception that one should not breed a brother or sister together because you would get inbred fry. Remember, they are fish, not people! :P

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    I used to have a 10 gallon tank, filled to just above the heater's heating element, with a box filter going just enough to circulate the water. I had water sprite floating and styrofoam coffee cups, cut out to be convex over the water surface. I would toss in some straw for infusoria and have a brine shrimp hatching kit when they needed bigger food. This was for a variety of anabantids.

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    thanks for the info.

    i didn't have luck making infusoria, i used it with my first batch, maybe i was led wrong? i was told to soak lettuce in water for a couple days, or until the water changed color. do you put the straw right in the tank?

    here are the books id highly recommend for anyone who's interested, i need to reread them again haha.

    1.Bettas:A complete pet owner's manual, by Robert J. Goldsteins [Barron's] 95pgs

    and i also have

    2.Aquarium care of Bettas by David E. Boruchowitz [Animal Planet] 11pgs

    both are easy reads, with lots of pics, the Animal planet one has tons of pics.

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    Have you bought any Indian almond leaves? The tea from the leaves is suppose to have anti fungal and bacterial properties beneficial when breeding.

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