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    I will keep all the suggestions in mind. I'm kind unsure on the gularis do to size-and the fact that many are simply dubbed as aquarium strain. I've heard of and seen pictures of the dwarf red gularis, lacking the extensive finnage and being a different shade, but those things appear to be pretty rare.

    Someone on a msg board has N. korthausae 'Mafia Island' available now at 10 bucks a pair including shipping. Interesting killies, but the timing isn't too good. Plus, I think I'd be looking for more color. I'm pretty sure that fiery red caudal fins or dorsals are pretty common in the nothos. However, I bet that they all look gorgeous in life-so many choices. As you can tell, I like to throw ideas around and accumulate all kinds of "useless" info before taking the dive [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

    I think nothos may be best suited for me as my water conditions here are hard and ph around 7.5(last time I touched a test kit).

    The rack will house a total of 3 ten gallons...plus other miscellaneous items, I may put 2 on the bottom and one in eye level due to the weight thing. How easily spooked are the nothos? I in tanks farther down, the fish tend to spook more easily(why, I have no idea).

    I think what I may do is:

    1-10 gallon. For breeding or praps raising juvies.

    3 gallon or so: Residence of the breeders outside of breeding. Praps 2 or a divider to keep male and female seperate

    Some kind of storage container to keep the moist peat in.

    Sweater boxes(dunno how many) for hatching and raising fry.

    Whats your method of incubating the eggs? Are temps important? One book mentioned keeping the peat at about the consistency of tobacco...which thankfully enough is something I don't know.


    I've just discovered a difficulty in that it is now a bit more tricky to do water changes. I did leave as much room as possible, but I'm used to an infinite ceiling above all my aquariums. Bailing isn't very convenient now. How do you guys do it?



    Thanks again!
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    Hi Nflytrap,


    5 calabarica fry seen tonight! One is even already 3/4 of an inch long. This is great. Only took 8 months. There is a gorgeous photo of this species in the killifish eggs section of Aquabid -- check it out and you will see why I love it. It is listed under Scriptoaphyosemion liberiensis "old calabarica strain" on page 2 I think.

    Bobby

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    Awesome! Just saw that auction but didn't quite connect it to your fish. Very attractive critters-good luck with them!


    One of the articles at Cincikillies(awesome site BTW) mentions "gorilla hair" Shredded (I believe redwood) bark that tthey sell at home Depot for landscaping. They said it worked well, but I'm unsure of if it was used as just spawning media or as incubation also.

    Thanks!
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    <<I will keep all the suggestions in mind. I'm kind unsure on the gularis do to size-and the fact that many are simply dubbed as aquarium strain. I've heard of and seen pictures of the dwarf red gularis, lacking the extensive finnage and being a different shade, but those things appear to be pretty rare.>>

    The red dwarf is around but I don't like it. The regular ones are big fish but boy are they nice.


    <<Someone on a msg board has N. korthausae 'Mafia Island' available now at 10 bucks a pair including shipping. Interesting killies, but the timing isn't too good. Plus, I think I'd be looking for more color. I'm pretty sure that fiery red caudal fins or dorsals are pretty common in the nothos.>>

    Very common in the Tanzania/Kenya species. I like the Zambian species for that matter, or rachovii -- hard to beat rachovii for looks. Rupripinnis is a looker. So is Kilomberoensis



    <<<I think nothos may be best suited for me as my water conditions here are hard and ph around 7.5(last time I touched a test kit). >>>

    Yes, very true. Alot of them will do great in your water. At most you might want to cut it a little with RO for breeding but that might not even be necessary.


    <<The rack will house a total of 3 ten gallons...plus other miscellaneous items, I may put 2 on the bottom and one in eye level due to the weight thing. How easily spooked are the nothos? I in tanks farther down, the fish tend to spook more easily(why, I have no idea). >>

    Nothos are calm but fish that only see legs going by are more easily spooked. I don't know why.



    <<1-10 gallon. For breeding or praps raising juvies.

    3 gallon or so: Residence of the breeders outside of breeding. Praps 2 or a divider to keep male and female seperate>>

    Good.


    <<Some kind of storage container to keep the moist peat in.>>

    A nice styro box is good.


    <<Sweater boxes(dunno how many) for hatching and raising fry.>>

    Good. Steralite is a good brand.


    <<Whats your method of incubating the eggs? Are temps important? One book mentioned keeping the peat at about the consistency of tobacco...which thankfully enough is something I don't know.>>

    I keep the moist fluffed peat in 8 x 10 plastic fish store bags tied with a rubber band and labeled and put in a styro box for storage. I crack the top of the styro so there is air exchange. I try to keep Notho eggs at 74-78F, 75F being perfect. I look at them weekly to see that the peat is moist and the bag aired up. That's it. When I collect peat -- usually at least a quart for breeding -- I put the wet stuff on several layers of newspaper and cover it with newspaper for several hours to overnight until it is just nice and moist but not overly wet. Then I store. The tobacco idea is old news. Different species need different wetness and temps and Nothos do well with moist peat at the mid 70's.


    <<<I've just discovered a difficulty in that it is now a bit more tricky to do water changes. I did leave as much room as possible, but I'm used to an infinite ceiling above all my aquariums. Bailing isn't very convenient now. How do you guys do it?>>>

    plastic siphon hose with a filter tube strainer on the end. I use the 5/8" size clear plastic soft tubing and strainer (put out by Lee's).


    Never heard of gorilla hair and I would avoid it. Alot of these methods are used by people who like to pick and count eggs. I just like to spawn the fish, collect the peat moss and see what hatches as a surprise.

    Bobby

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    Nice to know I created an approved setup for the nothos!

    How do you keep the eggs at 75 degrees? It is apt to drop down to around 65 here in our house come winter.

    Also, for most notho species, how productive are they? Should I expect to be overrun? If I end up with too many eggs/juvies, will it be easy to find homes for em?

    How noticeable are the differences between the 2 locations of kafuensis that you keep? Dunno if I'm making the correct connection, but is Callopanchax occidentalis the 'Golden Pheasant'?

    Thanks!

    Looked at some pictures-and N. kafuensis differs a Ton in between locations. Kayuni State farm appears to be pinkish blue-Nega Nega brown(only 2 pics of this one) and Chunga fits the classic notho coloration(red patterned dorsal orange caudal).
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Nice to know I created an approved setup for the nothos!
    Yep, just with a 3 gallon you will want to use alot of floating plants and 2 females as the males are sex fiends.

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    How do you keep the eggs at 75 degrees? It is apt to drop down to around 65 here in our house come winter.
    You will need to find a warm area or create an incubator as 65F is too low. 73-78 F is ok. Any warm areas of the house that stay warm? You can create an incubator by using a 1/3 filled tank with a submegible heater and a shelf built to be out of the water and a glass cover. The heater keeps it warm and you sat the bags of peat on the shelf. Simple and great for just a few bags to store.

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    Also, for most notho species, how productive are they? Should I expect to be overrun? If I end up with too many eggs/juvies, will it be easy to find homes for em?
    Nothos can lay 100's of eggs over say 2 weeks. Hatches can range from a few to hundreds. Once you get it down you can hatch a bunch. A LFS will take your surplus or bring them to a local club. You can set what you produce by how often you give them peat to breed in. Fish breeding is fun though and that has to be the main goal. Nothos are not for everyone as they are not community tank fish due to their need for relatively still calm water and rich food -- plus their high metabolism.

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    How noticeable are the differences between the 2 locations of kafuensis that you keep?
    Yes, the Nanzhila has a more marbled blue/red body color than the Mambova. The Mambova is more robust and its color is more patterned.

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    Dunno if I'm making the correct connection, but is Callopanchax occidentalis the 'Golden Pheasant'?
    Yes

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    Looked at some pictures-and N. kafuensis differs a Ton in between locations. Kayuni State farm appears to be pinkish blue-Nega Nega brown(only 2 pics of this one) and Chunga fits the classic notho coloration(red patterned dorsal orange caudal
    Kayuni State Farm is close to Nanzhila. Nega Nega I have never seen. Chunga is intensely orange and considered one of the prettiest Nothos. There is a huge range of colors and populations which is why collection codes are so crucial as those populations might be separate species with more study so we don't want any hybrids. The Zambian Nothos are my favorites. Symoensi is beautiful. My dream Notho is polli from Congo right over the border. It has not been around in the hobby since 1963.

    I'm hatching lacortei, arnoldi and whitei eggs tonight. Wish me luck!

    Bobby

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    Hi Nflytrap,

    Oh, yeah, there were 30 Mambova when I moved them to the grow out tank and all the bellysliders became normal swimmers. I should see them sexing out in 3 weeks.

    I have more baby monties and tons of nezzies -- time to move the angels.

    2 of the huge koi veil angels turned out to be a pair and they are so fine I will try to save their fry.

    I see 2 velifera males so far and one petenensis male. They are maturing. There are more calabarica fry. I bet there are really a bunch in the wall to wall java moss.

    Bobby

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    Interesting: There are about as many theories on belly sliders as there are influential hobbyists...what do you think?

    AS for warm areas, I will only know in the winter. I know that my mom lets the house go down to about 68 or so, and my current fish can take that just fine? I can borrow a heater from my grandmas and give the incubator a shot-or earn some store credit on a batch of swordtails...which I hope will reach saleable size before winter. I've heard killifish in general are fine with lower temps than normal-does that apply to Nothos?

    I haven't seen many koi angels in the shops and most of the barely have any orange to fit for the name koi. Good luck with yours!

    Nothos sound like ideal fish to share some space on this rack.

    Also, with so many fry, have you ever considered auctioning them off or trading them? I remember a few auctions on there for fry that people actually bidded on. You could offer a batch of 20 and see if any would take it. Too bad you couldn't provide a pic of your adults though.
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    Drosera capensis

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