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    howdy [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
    I have a 10 gallon non heated tank with only a gold fish and a beta. Anyone know some small fish I can put in with these 2?
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    Gee, I thought you were going to ask about doing away with or combining the Fresh & Salt Forums.

    Shelly, I wouldn't personally put a goldfish (non-tropical) with a Betta (tropical) in an unheated tank. While the goldfish can take a wide temperature extreme, a Betta should be in the 70-80 degree range. It is analogous to the CP plant cube combinations that Lowes does, by putting a VFT with a Darlingtonia with either a D. adelae or a P. primuliflora. they have differing requirements.

    Can it be done? Yes, but it isn't the best combination. Do you have the typical tank set up with filter, pump, light, etc...?

    Goldfish are also notoriously dirty and cloud up a tank in no time flat. Bettas, ironically, are what they call - anabantids. They can breathe atmospheric air. They naturally hail from stagnant rice paddies in SE Asia and have adapted to poor water quality.

    Another thing to strongly consider is whether you are using a tank with an established filter medum. If so, the metabolic waste that they produce should be handled well enough. If you are emplacing a brand new filter in the tank, it is a set up for disaster because it needs to go through the nitrogen cycle (Ammonia->Nitrite->Nitrate). Water changes alone won't solve the situation. Once through the nitrogen cycle, then it will be safe to introduce other fish.

    What would be the temperature for your area during winter? If it gets below 70, you run the risk of having ich killing the Betta and other fish - but not the goldfish. I know Washington State is more maritime in climate, but it is also a big State and you may not be on the Coast.

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    What he said.
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    I personally hate goldfish.
    If you want a colder water set up to keep small fish, I would recommend White Clouds. They do not need a heater and are easy egg layers for the beginner to raise the fry.


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    um... ok the tank has been set up for over a year and theyve been fine so far...

    I dont like gold fish either but since my daughter gave our last fish a half gallon of milk and juice to keep their bones strong and for whatever other reasons I thought gold fish were a good cheap replacement. now that shes a bit older Im thinkin about adding to the tank.
    anyone know if one of them frogs would be ok?
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    For goldfish, a year doesn't speak too much, considering how long they can live. Goldfish just don't do well in small tanks. They get too big on the long run(well...its not really long run considering how fast they grow in good conditions).

    The frogs would work(providing you had only that betta in the tank) as long as you kept the temperature up a bit. You probably wouldn't need a heater but simply take some precautions that the tank doesn't get cold.

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    A frog? What kind of frog? would it be one of the ones you cancatch from outside or the kind they sell in the pet shops (African, Dwrf African, Albino African)? I would think that the frog and goldfish would do fine together, since they can take temperature extremes better. It's like a Sesame Street thing - one of these don't belong - and in this case it is the Betta. Having two separate tanks is the way to go.

    Side note: Your avatar has changed. I like the pic that can no longer be seen in Suzanne's, "Well it's that time of year..." topic the best.

    Another side note: Have you ever seen the movie entitled, "Killer Clowns From Outer Space"?

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    ehhh i dunno about the frogs... i was actually just looking into that myself (African Dwarf) for my very lonely goldfish but everything i'm reading says that goldfish and dwarfs don't mix, and i can definitely see my fish trying to take a nibble out of one. also i *think* dwarf's like things a little warmer than goldfish. but if somebody knows better than me, do tell. i think the frogs are adorable and i'd love to add one to my 10-gal if i know he's not going to be attacked [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

    since my poor otocinclus just passed, i was actually thinking about getting an apple snail to keep the goldfish company. i can't plant the tank anyway (goldfish), and even if Picasso gets a bit hungry/curious/stupid as goldfish are inclined to do, the snail has its own portable shelter. plus they take a huge range of temps, and do better in the cooler goldfish range. i like the yellow ones too, i think they'll add a nice bit of color to my tank. just an idea.

    EDIT: PS- about the betta... if they're getting along fine, great, but the betta may be happier in its own bowl. honestly i keep one of mine in a $6 half gallon unheated bowl in a warm room and he's active as anything, making bubble nests every week. the other fish is in a 2-gallon semi-heated tank (one of those "explorer" models, i think the covered filter keeps it warmer than normal) and he's also extremely active and healthy. it would also give you more options for the goldfish tank... just because mr. betta tolerates the goldfish doesn't mean he'll like newcomers, and vice versa. bettas are notoriously fickle about tankmates.
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