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    jimscott, that's the point! God has no duality, he is one. That's why he is god, a conciousness connected to all reality, and all reality beneath him. That's why Jesus said when he is one, he will become a being of light. It's similar to the nature of the cingularity, but I think the cingularity may have multiple layers to it, with god being at the top of course.

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    Matthew 6:22-24 (New International Version)
    New International Version (NIV)
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    22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

    24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

    Not quite the one I was talking about, but luke has something similar

    Luke 11:33-38 (New International Version)
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    The Lamp of the Body
    33"No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead he puts it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light. 34Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness. 36Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and no part of it dark, it will be completely lighted, as when the light of a lamp shines on you."

    And there are many other verses in the bible talking about beings of light. The first verse would seem to imply that if we are divided, then we can't be beings of light. I'll see if I can find the verse David mentioned.

    Ok, David was reffering to what jesus said to the sermon on the mount.
    http://www.mountainman.com.au/jc_mount.html
    The light of the body is the eye:
    if therefore thine eye be single,
    thy whole body shall be full of light. [22]

    But if thine eye be evil,
    thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
    If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness,
    how great is that darkness! [23]

    No man can serve two masters:
    for either he will hate the one, and love the other;
    or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
    Ye cannot serve God and mammon. [24]

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    Ooh, and here's Sereda's blog:

    http://www.davidsereda.blogspot.com/

    mostly just aliens though, unfortunately.
    and coasttocoast's summary- http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/09/20.html

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    I believe in a lot of things that can't be proven, but I'll be the first to say that science and metaphysics are two very different things. Science is more a study of the material world, and it deals in evidence. Metaphysics is the philosophical exploration of the reality the material world is "contained" in (and beyond), and it's developed more through philosophical exploration, information from sources beyond (whose identities are usually unverifiable, unfortunately), and in a smaller way parallels with physical evidence, like the weirdness of quantum physics (e.g. the possibility that reality doesn't actually "exist") that seems to mirror a lot of ancient beliefs. There are also a lot of subjective experiences which function as "evidence" for the people who experience them (e.g. astral projection, premonitions, etc), but objectively can't provide enough information to be treated as truly scientific evidence.

    I guess in a way you could say science is objective, and metaphysics is subjective. I haven't really thought about it.

    So, we aren't really talking about science here. Chances are you can discuss it philosopically, but won't find much real evidence, if any. That's important to remember, or top-down thinking will threaten to take hold as the brain tries to fill in the gaps.

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    Okay, I know the passages. Translational differences can sometimes be confusing. The first part, as usual, Jesus draws upon everyday analogies, to teach his disciples. I cannot say that I fully understand it to explain it with confidence. However, my opinion is that He was encouraging his disciples to be clean on the inside, as well as portraying Christianity on the outside, with about as pure of motives as they possibly can be. Also, they were to subject themselves to that which would be appropriate toward that end. In other words, and in in our society, that would be like Jesus telling us to avoid pornography and other unsavory activities... AND... to replace it with reading the Bible and praying. By choosing to engage in healthier activities, our thoughts would be purer and hopefully our motives would be and what we do and say outwardly would be real and not phony.

    The second part I think is related because it points out that you can't fill yourself with all kinds of worldly things and at the same time live your life for God. You create a war within yourself by doing so. Something has to give.



    I'm sure someone else can explain it better than me!

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    Glad you understand jimscott [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] . Aside from this, lets pray for the people in the way of hurricane Rita. Category 5, and perhaps the strongest ever. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]

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    maybe god is the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ Sep. 21 2005,4:41)]maybe god is the universe.
    That's kinda how I see it... two words for the same thing.

    It's called "pantheism", if you're curious (you probably already knew). Not that labels are all that useful when it comes to belief systems.

    Some of this stuff is interesting... http://www.pantheism.net/

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