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    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yes I'm Canadian. I love this type of american attitude.

    A Nuclear Problem:

    I personally hate nuclear energy development as a long term solution. People should not mess with nature in the way they mess with the atom. Let me clarify one thing. Nuclear Weapons are not defensive weapons. They do not stop war they are war. Throwing away nuclear weapons is a good idea. In the unfortunate scenario where the united states is hit by a nuclear weapon the WORST possible solution is to retaliate with Nuclear weapons. That would be world war III and quite possibly the end of the human race as we know it. Personaly I don't sleep sound at night knowing that there exists even one nuke. They are never appropriate and never will be so get rid of them.

    The Terrorist

    First we must get to the root of what a terrorist is and what "spawns" them. Par example: If you were say an average Iraqi of the age of 17. You have a small education and have a rather enjoyable carpentry job. There is a ruler right now who kills lots of people and is a very feared man. However he hasn't personaly hurt your family. Sudenly you hear that a country on the other side of the world has decided to liberate iraq on your behalf. You don't see this as a bad idea right away but... You wake up to the sounds of explosions your thrown from your bed and your house is falling down around you. You remain trapped for 7 hours and are finally rescued. You are lifted out of the rubble and you look around your whole neighbourhood is gone. A man approaches you and you ask him if he knows anything about your family. He points at heap of dead bodies about 10 ft away. First you find your 3 year old sister then your mother than your 14 year old brother. You sob and mourn and then you want revenge...
    VOILA a terrorist. A civilian casualtie in any way linked to the war in iraq breed 10 more terrorists who kill and breed more. What you've done is created an exponential breeding ground for terrorists. Oh yeah, can you intercept a carbomb or a man with dynamite strapped to his chest

    Leaving them alone is not the answer but aggravating them by killing civilians isn't either.

    The UN and Global Security

    Do I want to give the global comunity control over the Us. No. Does the US think they can control the global community? Yes! Do they? Yes! Should they? No! I didn't say the global community should control the US. There is a difference between control and enforcing Global laws that stop the US from blowing the s*** out of whoever they feel like. There needs to be some global order. If not the UN then a new organization I just believe the UN is a good place to start. What's the difference between what you do to other countries and what this beefed up UN would do to you. The US is just the biggest bully in the playground and would be scared if there was actually a bigger bully to keep him in line.

    Rip this apart as you will,

    Zac
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (zac @ Nov. 04 2005,9:09)]P.S. it's Allah not ALi...Show respect
    You are correct simple typo error, I type while working so mistakes do happen. Thank you for catching it. The sarcastic comment at the end was not needed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Bugweed @ Nov. 04 2005,9:51)]None so blind as those who WILL NOT see. O71, W9striker, forget it. Understanding is beyond your comprehension. Iraq was not the problem. The leadership here was the problem. There was no terrorism in Iraq, until we invaded them. And the usual repub rhetoric of the anti-American media makes me laugh. Whatever does not agree with your party, is always anti-American. What twisted thinking. I know I am wasting my breath on you guys, as you cannot see the obvious, and your attempts at wit or anything else, falls way short. But, considering where the "party" came from years ago, before they were called republicans, was that only the elite had the know how, and the ability to lead the rest. If you were poor you were nothing. Hasn't changed, Only gotten worse. And you believe every word they regurgitate, and eat it with relish. No independent thought here, just believe what your told, and don't question their authority. OOPS!!!!! Don't forget to go out with your blinders on, boyz! And DON"T listen to anyone who may have an independant thought in their heads! You may learn something you just DON"T want to see!!! AprilH, You make more sense, but your party! Blech! At least you think, whereas the folks attempting to rake me over the coals here, their party hasn't had an original thought for 200 years. Sigh! Repubs just get meaner than hel l when you do not agree with them. And then you become anti-American, at the mercy of the (spin time) "liberal" media, who does not love Amerika (oo! How Nazi!) the way they are told to.
    Oh my Bugweed, I see your tactics in debating are as refined as your 'independant' way of thinking.

    Once you stoop to the point of being catty and feel the need to denigrate others because they do not share your 'independant' point of view then respect is lost. I can debate with anyone until they have to start saying statements such as 'Understanding is beyond your comprehension' and 'You are blind' then I dont feel the need to continue, you have shown your true colors to all who care to read. It is unfortunate because I was enjoying the debate.

    I belive one thing, you belive another. That is fine, but obviously a different train of thought from your 'independant' view means I must belong to a party and that makes me a sheep in your eyes. Doesn't seem weird that to be an 'independant' thinker like yourself, you must share the same view as yourself?

    If you choose to mature I will humor you by continuing the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (zac @ Nov. 04 2005,11:08)]That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yes I'm Canadian. I love this type of american attitude.

    A Nuclear Problem:

    I personally hate nuclear energy development as a long term solution. People should not mess with nature in the way they mess with the atom. Let me clarify one thing. Nuclear Weapons are not defensive weapons. They do not stop war they are war. Throwing away nuclear weapons is a good idea. In the unfortunate scenario where the united states is hit by a nuclear weapon the WORST possible solution is to retaliate with Nuclear weapons. That would be world war III and quite possibly the end of the human race as we know it. Personaly I don't sleep sound at night knowing that there exists even one nuke. They are never appropriate and never will be so get rid of them.

    The Terrorist

    First we must get to the root of what a terrorist is and what "spawns" them. Par example: If you were say an average Iraqi of the age of 17. You have a small education and have a rather enjoyable carpentry job. There is a ruler right now who kills lots of people and is a very feared man. However he hasn't personaly hurt your family. Sudenly you hear that a country on the other side of the world has decided to liberate iraq on your behalf. You don't see this as a bad idea right away but... You wake up to the sounds of explosions your thrown from your bed and your house is falling down around you. You remain trapped for 7 hours and are finally rescued. You are lifted out of the rubble and you look around your whole neighbourhood is gone. A man approaches you and you ask him if he knows anything about your family. He points at heap of dead bodies about 10 ft away. First you find your 3 year old sister then your mother than your 14 year old brother. You sob and mourn and then you want revenge...
    VOILA a terrorist. A civilian casualtie in any way linked to the war in iraq breed 10 more terrorists who kill and breed more. What you've done is created an exponential breeding ground for terrorists. Oh yeah, can you intercept a carbomb or a man with dynamite strapped to his chest

    Leaving them alone is not the answer but aggravating them by killing civilians isn't either.

    The UN and Global Security

    Do I want to give the global comunity control over the Us. No. Does the US think they can control the global community? Yes! Do they? Yes! Should they? No! I didn't say the global community should control the US. There is a difference between control and enforcing Global laws that stop the US from blowing the s*** out of whoever they feel like. There needs to be some global order. If not the UN then a new organization I just believe the UN is a good place to start. What's the difference between what you do to other countries and what this beefed up UN would do to you. The US is just the biggest bully in the playground and would be scared if there was actually a bigger bully to keep him in line.

    Rip this apart as you will,

    Zac
    No need to rip apart, you did that yourself.

    Until you learn to debate without attacking people you will never be taken seriously.

    I love your scenerio though on your veiw of a terrorist, quite obvious you have visited Iraq and fully understand the situation. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]The U.N. knew about Rwanda, knew it was a genocide going on over there and did nothing.
    I think you need to read this book then.

    They COULDN'T do anything because world leaders were too apathetic, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]We are never going to get rid of terrorism, IMO. New potential terrorists are being raised every day, in every country, of every race, colour and religion. Do we start killing children, then?
    That is very negative thinking...and if you are even remotely implying that we purposely kill children...DO NOT GO THERE.

    The United States has won every war it has ever been involved in, including Vietnam. We backed out of Vietnam only when we were convinced that the war had so weakened North Vietnam that it was no longer capable of becoming a threat to the whole of Southeast Asia. For proof that our goals were met you need only to look at the current day state of affairs in Vietnam. It is a thriving nation that is a threat to no one and we have established normal relations with them. Could we have achieved the same results with out the loss of 50,000 American lives? I believe so but then Commander in Chief John F. Kennedy, a Democrat, chose to send 500 American “Advisors” to Vietnam in 1961 and once started, a war is rather hard to stop.

    Republican President Richard Nixon orchestrated a cease-fire with the North in January of 1973 and in accordance with the terms, ordered the withdrawal of all U.S. troops. By the way, the famous photo of the last flight out of Vietnam was not that of a U.S. Military helicopter taking of from the rooftop of the American Embassy. It was an Air America chopper…probably piloted by Mel Gibson or Robert Downey Jr.


    Starting with our own war of independence, through the Cold War, which lasted forty-five years, we have prevailed. We will prevail again. The war on terrorism will not take anywhere near that long to win if we have continued good leadership.

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    W9S, Debate? I do not debate, I simply argue. And have a dang good time doing it too. I understand you don't understand, so that is a moot point. Zac has it right. We are no longer loved in the eyes of the world, as we used to be. A lack of compassion, caring, watching out for the little guy, are just a few of this administrations Major screw ups in the world. Zac is right as I have been. We have become bullies in the eyes of the world, not saviors. Forcing ones will on another is wrong. I don't care about your so called intelligent view of this whole thing, it doesn't really matter. We are the youngest country in this world, and think we know better than countries with centuries under their belts? Everyone makes mistakes, but this country set its eyes on Iraq and its oil supplies some time ago, before 1993, and I was there to hear and see it. So I am informed as to what the real skinny is, you just have word of someone else's mouth on TV or Radio, and they sing the stuff that your party wants you to hear, and you listen to that, and that only, and anything else is a lie. Whether you like or dislike my independant views or not, means nothing to me, as I know my opponent, and what he thinks already. I have friends in places where you didn't even know there were places, and I know my stuff. Believe it or not, makes no difference to me. My eyes are open, and I see what's coming. I am not the one with blinders on, bub. Should try taking yours off sometime, and do your own research into this whole mess. You might be suprised at what corruptness is at the top of the Republican party. The Democrats are laying low right now. When you have no power, all you CAN do is make noise. When you have power, it is best to use it wisely. Neither party knows how to do that. Well, since I know this is another oppurtunity for you guys to rip on Zac or me, here is the fodder for today. Eat well 071, and W9S. I will await the daily party regurgitation for the day.
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    Yes, we don't purposely kill children... except at the My Lai incident.

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