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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Although I ordinarily respect a person's choice to soften his stance, this time I won't.
    I did not soften my stance on anything. I just felt this is not the proper forum for my views.

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    Quote[/b] ]If that wasn't hyperbole and you really think questioning our government is a criminal act, then you & I have a fundamental disagreement about what it means to be an American.
    Yes we do have a fundamental disagreement...that is actually an understatement.

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    Full-blown capitalism is only seen as a viable way of life because the world hasn't watched it collapse yet (as we did with a few other systems). It's only a matter of time. Unfortunately people won't take the hint before then.

    Some kind of socialism sounds like the way to go (even clever people like Einstein have agreed), but like people have said, it requires a society with some level of self-mastery, which we don't seem to have. How to make it work... I have no idea. All I know is, if you don't think it makes fundamental sense for every single household in a town to have its very own power saw which only gets used for an hour every six months by each (and all the wasted space and resources that implies)... then you aren't a true capitalist. Extrapolate that scenario out a thousand-fold (appliances, vehicles, real estate, etc etc etc) and you see the problem. We only think we're actually entitled to these things individually because we don't see the people whose backs we're living on to get them. It's an illusion.

    It could happen if people would see beyond themselves. Oh well. Maybe next millennium, assuming we get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Giving the enemy the idea that the majority of our population does not support the war and that by continuing to fight they have some hope if winning is called aiding and abetting...aid and comfort...look that up in your law book and see what the penalty for that is.

    I am sick and tired of US citizens HOPING that we lose the war in Iraq just so they can prove they were right about George Bush.
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but the majority of the population does NOT support the war, and the numbers of those who do are going down daily.

    I have been in full gloat mode for a while now, I'm sitting back, eating popcorn, and watching the republican party self destruct...now that the press and the American people have finally started to wake up to the corruption and lies of this administration.

    I personally don't know any American citizens who hope we lose this war, and I can cite you plenty of examples that prove me right about the Shrub that have nothing to do with the war.

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    Quote[/b] ] It's time you support your troops who are over in Iraq trying to protect you. The ones who are shaking their head because unlike them you don't stand by America
    I DO support the troops. And I respect them enough to not send them to war for a personal vendetta, or help for my oil industry friends, or a neo-con vision of an "american empire."

    Wars should always be the last resort....unless we are attacked first. Which we were. By citizens of SAUDIA ARABIA, who trained with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. I had no problem with us going in and shooting up Afghanistan. YAY! But Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. And I'm still wondering why we didn't go in and shoot up Saudi Arabia, too. They deserve it. Check out what their madrassas teach. Government sanctioned.

    Bush and his cronies lied to get us into this war, period. Almost 2,000 of our soldiers have died, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraquis have died based on a pack of lies put forth by neo-cons and this administration. Which technically makes them war criminals, i guess. Bush/Cheney, et. al, are due a little impeachment hearing, I think. This isn't about such fluff as sex with an intern.

    Repeat after me: Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Bush and Cheney both have said so. 15 of the 19 hijackers were from our good friends SAUDI ARABIA. We were not greeted by the Iraqi people with flowers and thanks. Bin Laden detested Hussein because Hussein maintained a secular state. Bin Laden wants Islamist states everywhere in the mid-east.

    We didn't do a darn thing about the chaos that ensued in Iraq after we invaded. Rumsfeld brushed off the rioting and lawlessness. There was considerable planning for the aftermath of fall of Hussein, but the administration chose to ignore it. Hence, the insurgency, the IEDS, and the fact that ordinary Iraqis still don't have electricity and/or water.

    Our biggest threat this whole time was not Islam, but Islamism and Islamists, and the administration was completely blind. Until 9/11, then they got the drift, kind of. But still went after the wrong country. Wonder why?

    I don't care what colour or sex the next batch of nominees are...I'm just hoping for IQ's that are higher than that of a smart dog.
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    Where shall I start responding...just too much to cover. The major problem I see with democracy is the fact that people take for granted the power and responsability of their vote. It is quite clear from this thread that most people don't have a grasp on what's going on and what the major issues we are facing. Instead of reading the fine print people are just reading the headlines. Most of the argurments here are stuff dealing with the 2004 Presidential election, and the debates that took place then. Other arguments just don't hold water.
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    I kinda agree with outsider. People aren't taking quite enough responsibility as far as voting for the few things we get the oprotunity to vote for. We don't tend to stand up for our rights enough at all, and we are just sitting here watching the rights our constitution gave us erode away, while greedy fools sit behind the government pulling strings to control the people and fulfill their own agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    How is keeping war against them for years and never eliminating them and further depleting our handy supply of soldiers going to solve the problem?
    If there was a quick and easy way to win this war it would have been done with, unfortunately there's not for reasons I stated before. As stated before if we stay on the offense we can help keep terrorists at bay by 1) eliminating them 2) preventing them from obtaining more resources and training more terrorists. Here's a CP analogy: If you continuely let a D. Capensis flower, and let it go it will eventually multiple/reproduce and take over other CP pots. By staying on the offense with a pair of scissors we can control the situation by not allowing D. Capensis to do what it wants.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Final election poll results 2004.
    Thanks for the link to the source. It appears it was 51% of the nation that was brainwashed at the time of the 2004 Presidental election. While 48% of the population remained normal and supported gay marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    I have no problem with people having Christian beliefs. I have a problem with people deciding how the nation should function BASED on Christian beliefs.
    Can you list what Christian beliefs you have a problem with? I know you have a problem with the fact that G.W.B is pro-life and anti gay-marriage. Can you include an argument how these beliefs affect the way our nation functions?

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Jews believe in God but don't call themselves Christians, do they not? I believe in God and I read the Bible. That doesn't mean I believe that we're all going to hell because some people get abortions and some people happen to be gay. Killing is also wrong, but just because some people murder doesn't mean we're all going to hell. If you believe it's wrong, then don't do it and shut up and you'll be just fine.
    My bad I guess I assumed you had faith/relationship with God since you believe there is a God. Usually people who believe in God and read the Bible (which is considered the word of God by Christians and Jews) have faith. Otherwise you wouldn't have a problem with the teachings of the book you are reading. I'm sorry but no one will silence my faith in Christ. Thank you for reassuring me though that I will be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Who said it was God's Word? The Bible? That's thinking in a circle, as you guys like to so often refer to Evolutionists' thinking as, my friend. It may be, it may not be. It was written by people who may or may not have known what the hell they were talking about.
    It's Christian/Jewish/Catholic <insert religion that deals with bible here> belief that the Bible is God's word. I don't understand what your talking about, circle thinking...evolutionists thinking, they're your friends??

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    No, but the Bible is.
    From a perspective without faith it may be.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    "His beliefs"? God has beliefs now? But you just said he wrote this stuff.
    I guess there's a better word for that. His will.

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    No, bright one, I don't.
    Why not it will lower gas prices! That's the issue you see at hand, not the fact that oil is a non-renewable, foreign controlled resource.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Then where is this wonder fuel?
    In air. In water.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    7 bucks a gallon by then.
    You can continue to support the oil industry and give them that $7.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Can you clarify that sentence a little?
    Right after you clarify this:
    I don't see how you can look up so much to someone who says junk like "You gotta solve problems with problem solvers"... "Is our children educated?"... and freely states that he'd like to "learn more about federal government". And you people call us unpatriotic rednecks...

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    If by "people" you mean rich people who don't need tax cuts in the first place, sure.
    Out of the question how old are you? Maybe there wasn't a check issues to your name directly but I know for fact that middle class families also got tax cuts. My family got multiple I believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Jesus Day, no mo' gay marriage, no mo' [insert apparently vulgar word that starts with "a" and ends with "bortion"]......
    You're clearly not sure what you're talking about. http://www.jesusday.org/what.php is some info on Jesus Day for you. Can you show me where it says G.W.B. created it? No more gay marriage? That was something that was left to the states to vote on, not G.W.B. medical procedure? Ever hear of Roe vs Wade? It still exists and G.W.B. didn't make or pass any laws that constitutionally banned it.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    But who PROPOSES the laws?
    I don't have the time to give a lesson on the 3 branches of Gov't, but it is the Legislative branch, the senators and representatives that we vote in that make the laws. G.W.B. can propose laws but it is not his duty. He vetos or signs the bill.

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    But we can debate whether or not we should still be there.
    There's nothing to debate really. If we were to pull out of Iraq prematurely (now), Iraq would fall to the insurgents. That would be why we are still there now.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Okay, did anyone here hear me say the words "isolating" or "blinding" at any point in time? Anybody? I never said that. I said if we'd stop trying to run the world, other nations would lessen their desire to destroy us.
    Ok so now you change your tune from "minding our business" to "stop trying to run the world". When you ignore foreign affairs, that implies that we are isolating or blinding ourselves from foreign problems.

    Since when do nations have the desire to destroy us? We are not fighting a nation, we are fighting terrorists. Once again when Clinton was in office he knew about Osama. He knew about Al Qaeda. He left them alone and what happened? There goes your theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Gay marriage has been mentioned only a few times in the Bible and [insert apparently vulgar word that starts with "a" and ends with "bortion"] never, but helping people has been mentioned hundreds of times. And yet Bush has done everything to stop the first two and nothing towards the third. Go figure.
    Gay marriage is mentioned in the bible?: http://bible.christianity.com/Online...=homosexuality

    There is no listing of gay marriage. However there is a listing of homosexuality:
    http://bible.christianity.com/OnlineS....arriage

    medical procedure is not directly in the Bible but it is a termination of a living, growing human being. I guess it comes down to morals and values, which this culture continually sets lower and lower like a limbo bar.

    Helping people is mentioned. How hasn't Bush helped people? You mean he hasn't helped terrorists who want to kill innocent U.S. citizens? No I don't think he's up for negotiations on that one.
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