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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (lol @ Dec. 08 2005,4:03)]Well from what you have read, you should also see that a lot of the physics involved with the property of ormes would be of the likes that wasn't present some 30 or so years ago. Advancements in nuclear physics, quantum physics, and others I can't remember right now. The simple fact may be that science wasn't able to subsatialy prove or DISPROVE it in the past, but the latest surge of interest might push the scientists of today to investigate it again to prove or disprove it. The only common ground we can possibly reach at this time is that there is not enough scientific data to prove or disprove it at this time, and I hope that scientificly we in this discussion wont try to take it any further in any direction pro or con, because it would be mostly opinionative at that point. However, its affects on people is still an open topic worth discussing. The majority of info we have are the results from the large host of people who have used the ORMEs themselves, and that info unscientificly suggests a real effectiveness.
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    Quote[/b] ]These hucksters offer "water processors" which not only remove "biological and chemical contiminates [sic]", but "further enhance the water with select scientifically documented special primary energies". Unfortunately, none of this documentation seems to be available to the public, and I consider it highly unlikely that it was done by anyone with scientific training. They claim that their proprietary process concentrates

    "the Elements of Life (known variously as Monoatomic 'Monatomic' elements, ORME -"Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements", ORMUS, White Powder Gold, M-State, transition group Metal Ions), believed to be referenced in the Holy Bible and other texts as "The Hidden Manna" & "Bread of the Presence of God"; a proprietary mix of 13 scientifically documented methods of water structuring; the addition of a key nutrient Magnesium Dioxide [ MgO2 ] - a naturally occuring substance in water which scientists in Australia have discovered has the potential to prolong life 4 to 5 times beyond the normal span."

    This ORME rubbish (which apparently involves a weird "monatomic" form of gold linked to a deuterium (H2) atom) should be a dead giveaway to any but the most science-challenged suckers that this is nothing more than alchemical quackery with a bit of Biblical hoogy-moogy thrown in for good measure.
    - From a site with the sole purpose of dissuading people from believing this krap. I could go on and on with these quotes. Real science has always, and will always show that this stuff is garbage. Don't waste your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (lol @ Dec. 07 2005,10:03)]However, its affects on people is still an open topic worth discussing. The majority of info we have are the results from the large host of people who have used the ORMEs themselves, and that info unscientificly suggests a real effectiveness.
    I agree that in the end if someone has a spectacular result from something (beyond placebo effect or any other likely variables) it's a little silly to explain to them why it logically shouldn't have happened.

    But likewise we need to examine the testimonials that aren't there but should be. How many have these webmasters received complaining of getting ripped off? What if they far outnumber the positive ones?

    And the people making the claims that ORMEs can help you achieve incredible abilities or states... why make those claims when they themselves haven't achieved them? Huge red flag there...

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    No to what Nrbelex? Are you able to speak in full sentences or not?

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    If you want real science, feel free to read Water Structure and Behavior by Martin Chaplin. I doubt you'll see a section on your monoatomic water molecule crystal isotope orbitle rearranged upside-down-looped atoms with healing powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (lol @ Dec. 08 2005,4:58)]No to what Nrbelex? Are you able to speak in full sentences or not?
    No to the entire quote. If we're bringing in pseudoscience, is bad grammar really all that important? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img]

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    OK, what the heck does water have to do with ORME's? The answer is it doesn't. And if you were able to understand what I just typed on this page you would know that I JUST said that ORMEs haven't been scientificly proven or disproven, so there is no reason to debate that aspect of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]The only common ground we can possibly reach at this time is that there is not enough scientific data to prove or disprove it at this time, and I hope that scientificly we in this discussion wont try to take it any further in any direction pro or con, because it would be mostly opinionative at that point.
    I was providing evidence that there is enough proof to discredit these scams. When you start a topic with the name "Here goeas another one, Philosopher's stone, manna, ...", what were you expecting? A nice conversation about how great these "molecules" are? It was opinionative from the start when you made the topic title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (lol @ Dec. 08 2005,5:08)]OK, what the heck does water have to do with ORME's? The answer is it doesn't. And if you were able to understand what I just typed on this page you would know that I JUST said that ORMEs haven't been scientificly proven or disproven, so there is no reason to debate that aspect of it.
    Well here's one of the sites that trys to explain what water has to do with ORMEs. Don't ask me what they're trying to say... you're the translator here.

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