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    Linux has gotten a lot better over the past couple of years. That's part of the beauty of open source software: it's growing and changing and improving so much faster.

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    Quote[/b] ]Eh, tried it, the learning curve was to high. I couldn't any programs to work. I gave up.
    Learning curve can still be pretty steep, but if you get someone to set it up, then the knowledge needed to use it isn't very extensive. For instance, Fedora as well as some other distrobutions (I believe) use a simple package program. You just open up the program, select which category you're interestred in (games, science, programing, interactive, educational, etc,) find something that interests you by it's description, click the box and it does the rest. Nowadays, the generic drivers will set you good with most things straight off (though it can still be trouble, but if you wanter to talk DRIVER TROUBLE then don't get me started on windows.) That's one thing I like about Linux: you tell IT what to do, not the other way around; I've had it too many times where Windows tells ME what to do.

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    Quote[/b] ]Well I hope it's more stable then Mac OS... Mac OS in my experience is far less stable then Win XP.
    I've never crashed Linux to the point where I couldn't get it back. lol Admittedly one time I uber-screwed it up, but we could still remote log in (log in from another computer) and get it to unfreeze. Of course, if you've got unreliable hardware, then you can't blame that on the operating system!

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    Quote[/b] ]Was gonna have something to say there until I got to Legally..
    Yeah, I figured it might come to that. Not only is the OS free, but you can get free wordprocessing, games, apps, everything. Even if you're using Windows, I'd highly recommend using Open Office for all of your word processing, powerpoint, spreadsheet, and presentation needs.

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    Quote[/b] ]Eh, atleast a few years back when I tried Linux out, there was still troubles finding drivers for all the hardware.
    lol I already touched on this. It's getting better all the time, though! I remember not too long ago that it was a PAIN to get wireless drivers in Redhat to work, but by now we have no more problems with it.

    All in all, I think Linux's greastest pitfall is that if either you or someone close to you doesn't know a considerable bit as to what's going on, you can run in to trouble.

    Furthermore, thinking about it, I have no idea how windows got lumped with "low quality porn." lol! Oh well, when you think about it, what's the majority of uses for computers/the internet: games 'n porn! Still, I don't see how the latter of the two have ANYTHING to do with porn. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]
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    Personally i don't like chevy nor ford. ford has good motors, but worthless transmition, chevy is all worthless... both of them are a waste of money anyway [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] get yourself a horse![img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

    About the movie... that guy must have never used a mac... because NONE of the things he named there ever happened to me in my experience, and believe me, I have one with Macs.
    Maybe they are true judging by the ancient iMac he was showing us... iMac=same junk as PC, if you want a real computer get a PowerMac (good ones are $3000+, but you won't have a single problem in years), and OS X on those old ones is pretty much like XP on IBM 486... maybe thats why you thought XP was more stable? try it on an ancient machine and see.

    Also, YES Linux is da crap! because it is UNIX based (like OS X) so I totally agree with you.

    High quality porn is also business for Macs... why you think I got 3 of them? hehehe [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img]
    But seriously, why I use them is because I do graphics on my free time (digital restoration of old hand painted icons), and PCs just can't handle it, and its just better looking and stable [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

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    Gee...how did I miss this topic?? Macs rule!! Go Dimka! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]



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    Mac, "PC", whatever. I'm thankful I even have a computer with internet connection, with which I can source great CP information, order plants, and communicate with folk I'd otherwise never be able to meet! Banzai!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (adnedarn @ Dec. 31 2005,2:19)]Mac doesn't not have the virus/spyware problems that PC has because it is better... It doesn't have AS MANY problems because it isn't that popular.
    OK... got a number of problems with y'all.
    No. 1, Andrew, this is no longer particularly correct. You can break a Macintosh the same way you hack any other UNIX clone - practically speaking, there are just about as many Windows machines accessible on the internet as UNIX boxes. My hardware router gets hacked more than my Mac, and all I do is delete unknown executables and run the built-in Mac firewall. "Security by obscurity" has long been the bane of the computer security industry and, right out of the box, Macs come with as much protection (besides a virus scanner, which is sorely missing) as you could ask for for any computer connected to the internet. Everything runs the same internet protocols, so getting in is the same on one computer as another. The big difference is in the executables, but any hacker with a sixth grade reading level worth their weight in farts can look up a manual and figure out how to apply their strategy to any machine.
    Next, I would really appreciate it if Windows-philes out there stopped claiming that Macs are unstable. This is unfair, untrue, and has been inaccurate for several years (almost a decade in my experience - I haven't had stability problems on my Macs since OS 8.1, back in the late 90's.) I've owned a G5 (the first make, even before Apple fans considered them stable) for three years now and have left it on almost constantly since first taking out of the box. You know how many crashes (computer reboots itself) I've had? None. A few times, my BitTorrent client shuts down unexpectedly, leaving the rest of the system untouched, but I've never, ever had to do an emergency powerdown or root through my system to find malicious programs. I rewrite my kernel, play with XWindows applications, and even emulate Windows 98 on my system and they're all rock solid. I have also worked at the computer center at my college for several quarters, in the Macintosh lab as well as a mixed lab with dual-boot Windows 2000 and Red Hat Linux machines. Want to know where I spend most of my time? Want to know what computers my coworkers dred servicing? I'll give you a hint - it's not the Macs. Gawd, that little video of yours is cute, but I defy you to show me that applications on the Mac are less stable than any other OS. If you have stability problems on a Macintosh, it can almost always be attributed to the program you're running, and not the details of the operating system.
    If Macs were really so much worse than PCs, Apple would have died out a long time ago - there just aren't enough reasons for people to stay with Macs if they're really so unbearable. They're expensive, and it's particularly hard for consumers to find software and support for the Macintosh. The reason the Mac is still alive is because people appreciate its strengths. They're easy to use. They have consistent, well-designed interfaces. They aren't built to confuse users and they don't require licensed, specially trained technicians to perform simple, everyday tasks like system/network maintenance and upgrades.
    Look at all the operating systems out there. UNIX, Mac, Linux, Irix; even dead OSes like OpenStep, DOS and BeOS have hoardes of fanatical advocates who would sooner die than admit that maybe their OS isn't the best. I've only found one OS that lacks this type of following, and it's Windows. People just don't care about Windows - the only support I see for it comes from people who own Windows machines by some unfortunate circumstance and get teased about it. It's so-so, and if it weren't for the fact that all the popular games and office applications were on it, and business virtually requires you to use it, and all the bargain basement computers came preloaded with it, I can see no reason why anyone would seek out Windows for their own use. If Windows were satisfactory, we wouldn't have so many people clamboring for other systems. Windows has found its place in the industry not on superior merits, but superior marketing and business strategy.
    I have been studying computer science since middle school, and I have yet to find anyone with a strong general knowledge of computers who can give me a cogent reason why Windows is any better than anything else. My computer science professor, who wrote much of the software that runs your telephone while working at Bell labs, refers to her Windows machine as 'the toy' because the only people in her house that use it are her kids, for games and email. She and her husband (another comp. sci. professor at my school) don't even try to work with it, because it's just more trouble than it's worth. Even my godfather, who works at Microsoft, can't articulate why Windows is better, except that it has lots of games on it. Quite the contrary - in my experience, it seems that the more educated people are on the methods and history of computer science, the more they tend to dislike Windows on grounds of its poor engineering and Microsoft's startling lack of ethics and innovation.
    Finally, how many people have switched from a Mac to a Windows machine and really been happy about it? I know of one, really - my friend got rid of his old, System 7.5 Mac IIc and traded up to a Pentium 3 Dell. He liked it better because he could play Max Payne, and that's really all he did with it because the system was buggy as all hell right out of the box. When he finished Max Payne, he went and dug the Mac IIc out of his garage until he could buy a new (Apple) laptop. On the other hand, how often do you hear about people going the other way?
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    I don't know a single guy going from Mac to PC, but know hordes of people going from PC to Mac. Visit any Apple Store, what do you see? it is PACKED from dawn to dusk, and there are constantly at least 30 PC users asking assistance at switching at a time. And from the moment it is open there is already a mile long line to pay for the goodies that are being bought. What do you see in PC stores? 3-5 half dead people walking around, and not buying anything. Only reason for PC being more popular is because they are about 10 times cheaper. Its like rather than curing the tooth thats aching, you'd rather drink a whole box of pills... why? they are cheaper of course. but it'll still hurt after a short time [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
    Btw, the more serious businesses use Macs, hell even Microsoft uses Macs in a few departments... I wonder why?
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    lol Joe, it's a bit late right now, so I'll finish reading your post later, but I think I got about the jist of it: the real problem is the propaganda.

    Microsoft is evil, Macs can't do anything and are unstable, and Linux is impossible to use for anyone less than a Borg.

    Let's face it, none of 'em are perfect. You pick your chose for what you need. In Dimka's case, it's restoring old photos so a Mac serves. In someone else's case it may be that they just want to browse the internet, they don't want no guff, don't want to waste their time with extra features, and want to use what they know, so they use windows. Another person yet may find themselves interested by the open source movement, wanting to program, or check out what type of "free" this free is.

    They've all got their ups and downs. But most of the propaganda and generalizations are based on information YEARS old. Things are changing, they always have and always will. So instead of trying to get other people to go with your rythm, find what's good for your needs, and from there be SUPPORTIVE instead of just flaming everything else. If it's a war, let the companies fight it; your mission is to find and use what best suits your needs and wants.

    With that said, windows sucks.

    (that's my way of saying: "yeah, wouldn't it be nice if people would do it?") [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
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    I'd like to think I've got a bit of knowledge about this subject since I use a Mac 9-5 and a PC the rest of the time.

    Mac OS X is much nicer to use than XP, which looks like it was designed for children. OS X is like Lego - XP is like Duplo [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

    Don't think Macs are rock solid stable though - they crash just as much as PCs.

    I use my PC for games, which is what they excel at now. Macs don't do games, PCs don't do graphics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I don't know a single guy going from Mac to PC
    Well, here's one. I can't stand using Macs after my father kept buying them (iMac was the worst thing that could've ever happened to my family), and currently I'm using XP - 90% for games though anyway.

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