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    Quote[/b] (Outsiders71 @ Jan. 04 2006,4:22)]It all depends on what you are trying to do. Obviously MAC is good for video/animation, but it sucks when it comes to games. Until games exclusively use opengl (which I hope they don't because hackers love to abuse opengl), until DirectX is gone, PC reigns king for playing games.
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    How is OpenGL a security risk? I can't imagine how OpenGL could be instrumental in any sort of hack... it doesn't use any privledged operations.
    Also, why are Macs (notice, not an acronym) bad for games? I've yet to see a single game that has both Windows and Mac native versions that look or play different, besides for some poorly done ports from Windows to Mac that come out buggy. There are fewer big-label games out for the Mac, so I suppose in that sense it 'sucks,' but there are even less for the other operating systems. So far as graphics and gameplay go, there's no consistent difference. As for servicing them, there's really no need to take your Mac to an Apple technician for upgrades and maintenance; I do all my own service, and most of the third-party parts in my computers I got from dealers that sell exclusively Windows accessories. At the hardware level, a Mac does the same thing as a Windows machine, and runs on the same parts. I buy the same RAM as any Windows user; my G5 uses DDR 400 PC3200 chips, and my G4 uses PC133 SODIMMs. My G4 has a PCI SCSI controller in it made by IBM. Dell and Gateway want you to take their systems in to licensed techs for service too; it doesn't mean you have to.
    I'm sorry for my earlier rant, but being that computing is both my career and hobby, I reserve the right to go on one tirade. There's a lot of misinformation about Apple and the Macintosh that is purpetrated by the Windows community, by people who know jack squat about what their computer really does and only make subjective judgements from a consumer perspective. It just rubs me the wrong way. The bottom line is that, Mac or Windows, it's a computer, a Turing machine, meaning that anything one can do, the other can too. There's nothing fundamentally different between them; it's all in the whizbangs. So I think arguing better vs. worse is pretty infantile, because the fact of the matter is that they just look different. To me, it's like arguing over the color of a car.
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    Actually... even though there ARE more games for PC than Mac, there are also some very nice games that are Mac-only, and PC users drool over them.
    Also, the games that are both Mac and PC... did you notice that Mac versions are way more stable and need like 10 times less updates? I have, with every single double platform game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (seedjar @ Jan. 04 2006,9:55)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Outsiders71 @ Jan. 04 2006,4:22)]It all depends on what you are trying to do. Obviously MAC is good for video/animation, but it sucks when it comes to games. Until games exclusively use opengl (which I hope they don't because hackers love to abuse opengl), until DirectX is gone, PC reigns king for playing games.
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    How is OpenGL a security risk? I can't imagine how OpenGL could be instrumental in any sort of hack... it doesn't use any privledged operations.
    Also, why are Macs (notice, not an acronym) bad for games? I've yet to see a single game that has both Windows and Mac native versions that look or play different, besides for some poorly done ports from Windows to Mac that come out buggy. There are fewer big-label games out for the Mac, so I suppose in that sense it 'sucks,' but there are even less for the other operating systems. So far as graphics and gameplay go, there's no consistent difference. As for servicing them, there's really no need to take your Mac to an Apple technician for upgrades and maintenance; I do all my own service, and most of the third-party parts in my computers I got from dealers that sell exclusively Windows accessories. At the hardware level, a Mac does the same thing as a Windows machine, and runs on the same parts. I buy the same RAM as any Windows user; my G5 uses DDR 400 PC3200 chips, and my G4 uses PC133 SODIMMs. My G4 has a PCI SCSI controller in it made by IBM. Dell and Gateway want you to take their systems in to licensed techs for service too; it doesn't mean you have to.
    I'm sorry for my earlier rant, but being that computing is both my career and hobby, I reserve the right to go on one tirade. There's a lot of misinformation about Apple and the Macintosh that is purpetrated by the Windows community, by people who know jack squat about what their computer really does and only make subjective judgements from a consumer perspective. It just rubs me the wrong way. The bottom line is that, Mac or Windows, it's a computer, a Turing machine, meaning that anything one can do, the other can too. There's nothing fundamentally different between them; it's all in the whizbangs. So I think arguing better vs. worse is pretty infantile, because the fact of the matter is that they just look different. To me, it's like arguing over the color of a car.
    ~Joe

    PS - David, I hope your computer gets better! I wish I could help, but I can only fix Windows machines if I'm looking at them - I'm no good at telling people what to do with them.
    Sorry if what I said was confusing. I didn't mean opengl rendered games are security issues for the OS. What I meant was hackers have a tendency to use the OpenGL render to make OpenGL hooks, and hacks for the GAME. Some examples are aimbots and wallhacks.

    Also MAC is the least supported OS when it comes to games. Sure there have been ports of some games, but ALL games come to PC, not too many come to MAC. You never see MAC as the OS for game servers either, LINUX is the dedicated server OS by choice. The MAC gamers that I have seen in the past had issues with the same game I was playing on the PC, especially when updates came out, or new versions of anti-cheat.

    MAC gaming mice? None that I know of! Last but not least DirectX on a MAC? Not possible, and Direct3D is the most used video render.

    I'm sorry if you feel I'm spewing lies about MAC, I personally have nothing against MAC besides the fact it does not suit my needs. You cannot argue that MACS > PC when it comes to gaming because it is not true. Ever see a MAC at a LAN? Ever see MACS at the CPL? No. I don't mean to rant either, but I know a lot about gaming, I've been doing it for the last 9 years competitively and no competitive player would use a Macintosh to compete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Outsiders71 @ Jan. 05 2006,3:13)]Also MAC is the least supported OS when it comes to games. Sure there have been ports of some games, but ALL games come to PC, not too many come to MAC. You never see MAC as the OS for game servers either, LINUX is the dedicated server OS by choice. The MAC gamers that I have seen in the past had issues with the same game I was playing on the PC, especially when updates came out, or new versions of anti-cheat.

    MAC gaming mice? None that I know of! Last but not least DirectX on a MAC? Not possible, and Direct3D is the most used video render.

    I'm sorry if you feel I'm spewing lies about MAC, I personally have nothing against MAC besides the fact it does not suit my needs. You cannot argue that MACS > PC when it comes to gaming because it is not true. Ever see a MAC at a LAN? Ever see MACS at the CPL? No. I don't mean to rant either, but I know a lot about gaming, I've been doing it for the last 9 years competitively and no competitive player would use a Macintosh to compete.
    I think least supported is a little too strong... how many commercially published games do you see on Linux? Things might've changed since I was running Linux, but to my knowledge, there are pretty much none, because Linux developers manage to clone games or hack together their own ports before the publishers can port them.
    As for serving, back when I lived in the dorms, everybody wanted me to serve our Unreal and Counterstrike games because, for whatever reason, my clunky, out-of-date G4 could host and play at the same time much better than everyone else's machines. A few people asked me things like, "Can a Mac even serve for Windows machines?" but after a week or two of trying everyone's machines, I became the unofficial host of everything on my floor. People would come and ask me to host games I wasn't even invited to play.
    Big surprise DirectX isn't on the Mac; it's proprietary Microsoft technology that is almost as privledged as Windows itself. It requires specific hardware support, as well as a lot of backdoors and exceptions in the operating system. DirectX doesn't run on anything but Windows. I think it's kind of odd that you would take exception to people cheating in games by manipulating OpenGL, yet support a technology which poses real security risks to your system, such as unchecked buffer overflows.
    As for gaming accessories, anything USB will work with a Mac. Apple's out-of-the-box USB support can recognize most controllers, and if they don't, there's a number of great USB utilities that allow you to map all the controls of the device to mouse and keyboard signals. My roommate has actually given me two joysticks and a faux-PS2 USB controller because they don't work properly with Unreal and Doom on his Windows box. They work just fine for me, and I didn't even install drivers.
    I don't think you're 'spewing lies,' but you do seem severly misinformed. Don't blame yourself; it's a Windows-centric world and most people who talk about why Macs are so awful haven't even used them. The general opinion of the Macintosh today is the result of over a decade of intentional smearing and misinformation on the part of Microsoft and the hardware companies they pay off. (And it didn't help that Apple was totally lame when Gil Amelio was running the show back in the mid-90s.) Honestly, I'm shocked when I come across people who do have unbiased information.
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    Feel free to educate me Seedjar (seriously).

    Say I wanted to build myself my own custom Powermac G5. Where does one go to see benchmarks and tests on mac hardware? For instance on PC we have tomshardware.com and anandtech.com that benchmark new motherboards, cpus, etc. Where does one go to buy mac parts? Is there a pricewatch.com of the mac world?
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    Quote[/b] (Est @ Jan. 04 2006,9:21)]
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    Quote[/b] ]Plus spending $3,000+ on a machine for lust is a waste, find your match out there and get married!
    Or for that rate, order one from overseas! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]
    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] LOL!! Hey i spent over $3,000 for lust,, lust for my big screen TV and another $4,000 on my stereo system, now thats lust.. LOL!!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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