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    VOTE FOR PAK!! If *I* were President, ALL CPs sites would be protected from development. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
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    A benevolent, environmentally aware dictatorship perhaps? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/img]

    ...And as much as I see Mr. Bush and his cronies as a disaster waiting to happen (oh, wait...), I personally cannot see an America with Hilary atop the golden saddle, trying to keep a steady balance on the biggest horse in the world.

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    Anyone is better than the PNAC crew in charge now. Anybody.

    However, as a lifelong liberal, I wouldn't be satisfied with Hillary. Now, the fact is that Hillary is SO reviled by the right, and her positions and records are so grievously distorted by the right that I'd like to see her win just to torque them all off. But the reality is that, among the Democrats, she is the most like the current administration. She supports the Iraq war, and has from the beginning. She supports the Patriot Act. Her positions are centrist at best, so there's a certain irony in the right wing focusing their hatred upon her. I think they're still sore that Hubby Clinton was President (very successfully at that), for eight years.

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    Hilary is NOT an Arkansas native, she is an Illinois native. Park Ridge.

    And since when did the Senate rules require that you must be a native of the state you represent? I must have slept through the addition of that amendment to the Constitution.

    Seriously, you guys p*ss and moan about Hilary when she acts/does no darn differently than many, many male politicians. How is she worse than them? Is she more cynical than say...Tom DeLay? Ted Kennedy? More power mad than Carl Rove? Have a worse temper than John McCain?

    The thing that makes you guys angry is that she is a political animal of the first water. And you CAN'T STAND IT when a woman can play the same game along with the big boys.

    "All of her actions that I've seen or heard of are exactly what people have been saying in here: whatever it takes to become popular."

    Can you show me a sucessful male politician(meaning, one who has held office) who doesn't live by these words? Good lord, that's funny.

    Anyone here old enough to remember what happened to the last presidential candidate who dared speak the truth to the masses? His name was Walter Mondale, and he said he would raise taxes.

    China would accept a female leader just fine. One of the many basic tenets of socialism/communism is that men and women are equals. I think some Islamist countries (and ours) would have a problem with a female president.

    And quite frankly, I don't know a single person, republican, democrat or independent, that checks with their party to see how they themselves should feel about the issues.

    If the progressive movement would give me a viable liberal presidential candidate to vote for, I would vote for him/her. Until such a time, I will continue to work and vote for the most progressive Democratic Party candidates, locally and nationally.
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    Aaarrghghh !!! I thought we kept that Illinois / Hillary link underwraps. I'm still writing in my first 3 choices. Benevolent, conservationalistic dictatorship. It's got a certain ring to it. I can hear it now... "and I'll put a destroyed location sarr. in every pot !"
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Can you show me a sucessful male politician(meaning, one who has held office) who doesn't live by these words? Good lord, that's funny.
    Didn't say I could! Which support what I'm saying: there's far to much "crowd pleasing" going on. Heck, I don't mind a woman being a president. If a woman represented my feelings better than her male competitor (and I was allowed to vote at all) I'd vote for the woman. My last issue with Hilary would be that she's a woman- my first and foremost that she's a politician that acts like all the other politicians.

    I'm not glorifying the people you compare her to, just saying she's just and bad as many other politicians, and I wouldn't mind if I had nothing to do with her. Ya know?

    Without getting all cynical and shout-y about it: I've got no reason to want to see women treated unequally. I've experienced my fair share of prejudice as an immigrant, thank you.
    The bottom line: don't care about the race or gender, I care about the message- saying otherwise is an unfounded, and rather ridiculous claim.

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    Quote[/b] ]And quite frankly, I don't know a single person, republican, democrat or independent, that checks with their party to see how they themselves should feel about the issues.
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    EST got it right! It's about the message. When looking at candidates, we should look at the issues, not the sex. No, not that kind of sex Ozzy! I don't know how accurate this site is, but I found it interesting. Here's Hillary on the issues:
    http://www.issues2002.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

    And here's Condee:
    http://www.issues2002.org/Condoleezza_Rice.htm

    Hmmm, looks like Condee's got some catching up to do! Hillary has an opinion about everything; Ms. Rice appears to have little on record, even pertaining to her own job. I admit that this site may not be completely up-to-date, but it does have info up to 2005.
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    April, i dont like Hillary and i didnt like her husband, i dont like Bush either. personally i would vote for any person who set out to reduce the size of our idiotic government. i could care less what party or sex or race the idividual is. if they set out on a platform to reduce the number of idiots my tax dollars have to pay salarys for i would be happy as all get out. oh and they would have to go back to the constitution(see my sig line)
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