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    no apology necessary Zac,

    If I was a mexican citizen I would be putting the pressure on the mexican govt. If all these rally's and marches were happening in downtown mexico, asking why they have to risk there lives to find work in america, asking why can't jobs in mexico pay a living wage I think they would get a better long term result. Everyone would benefit EXCEPT the people making a living off exploiting illegal immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]There are no alternatives for an illegal immigrant. Once denied, by the immigration system they are left with no other options really.
    Thats BS. Stay the hell out of our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] It seems they treat here as Mexico. Not Arizona. It feels like an invasion to me.
    funny how you say invasion beacuse arizona was at one point part of mexico.. a little "taste of your own medicine" as some would say

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]the whole problem of illegal immigration could be solved if immigration laws were enforced, i.e., it is ILLEGAL to hire illegal immigrants. If businesses were heavily fined for hiring them, they wouldn't hire them. But our wonderful business community LOVES illegal aliens because they don't have to pay them minimum wage or benefits.

    If companies couldn't hire illegal immigrants....there'd be no reason for them to come here because they couldn't get jobs.

    The idea that 'they take the jobs americans don't want' doesn't wash. The idea that the US economy couldn't function without illegal immigrants is a load.
    beautifuly said

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (nepenthes gracilis @ May 06 2006,7:54)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]There are no alternatives for an illegal immigrant. Once denied, by the immigration system they are left with no other options really.
    Thats BS. Stay the hell out of our country.
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    The US invades other countries with heavily subsidized agriculture and uses the WTO, IMF and other combinations of letters to destroy their livelihoods. In return, a fraction of the people dislocated by our predatory economy comes to this country. If we won't stay the hell out of their countries, how can we complain about a few percent of them coming here?
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    Well I don't see us immigrating to Mexico like they flood over here. We're not invaders, just businessmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]The US invades other countries with heavily subsidized agriculture and uses the WTO, IMF and other combinations of letters to destroy their livelihoods. In return, a fraction of the people dislocated by our predatory economy comes to this country. If we won't stay the hell out of their countries, how can we complain about a few percent of them coming here?
    First, "staying out of their countries" is not a possibility, and hasn't been since the industrial revolution. Isolationism has never worked, and now the economy is truly global. Whether or not this is a good thing is irrelevant; you can't turn back the clock, and any attempts to do so are doomed to failure. The world has changed, and we need to deal with it, not pine for the olden days.

    Second, in any economic system, there are winners and losers, often for purely random and unpredictable reasons such as which country has deposits of the mineral needed for a new technology. Should we try to help those who are down on their luck, of course. But there are ways that work and ways that don't; a flood of unregulated immigration will just forcibly pull both down to the same level, while regulated immigration (along with other mechanisms) will allow one to pull the other up to a higher level. The best way to solve a problem is usually not the one that's easily gratifying or that people want to hear.

    And lastly, the income disparity between the US and Mexico existed long before any of combinations of letters you describe, and therefore cannot be attributed to it. Maybe they made it worse, maybe not, but to claim it's somehow the fault of US 'predatory economics' is just plain not true.

    Even if it were, I refer back to my second point; allowing people to cross at whim will not solve the problem. Yes, it sucks, and maybe we did do them wrong, but would you rather actually fix the problem over the long term or resort to short-term measures that do nothing but salve one's conscience?

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