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    you figuring if the feds do it or if private entities do it? its being started in some areas by private individuals just to show the government how cheaply it can be done. no barrier is total secure but it would be simple enough to build a fence and enforce the border to the point of drastically slowing down whats happening. stop it totally? course not but it would make a difference
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    I'll prolly get stomped on for this, but I think we've got enough darn people in this country and stop all immigration. I don't have a problem with legal people, more power to them, but speak English, read and write it. I hate going down South and listening to a bunch of mumbo jumbo crap whereever you go. Makes you feel like you're in freaking Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I'll prolly get stomped on for this, but I think we've got enough darn people in this country and stop all immigration.
    Including legal? Then where will we get our graduate students and who will make advances in physics or math? The few who manage to escape the US educational system with a functional brain? We're spread way too thin; without smart people from overseas, you're gonna have to quadruple your tuition in order to pay for all the adjunct faculty to keep up with the grading and coursework.

    Legal immigration allows us to filter and aquire the new people we want, giving us people with above-average skills and intellect. The same cannot be said of the woefully-undereducated bulk of the native born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I don't have a problem with legal people
    i think he ment the legal ones are fine but all border jumpers(illegals) shouldnt be considered he will have to clarify though.

    as far as the legal ones, my wife works with an Indian(India), a Norwegian, and i think a Japanese(i havent him asked and Darla doesnt work on his team) here in the middle of nowhere. not sure if they are here on work visas or are trying to becoe or now are US citizens. all are good ppl doing computer programing with her. these types are the ones i dont have a problem with. all understand english perfectly well though the Oriental fellow is difficult to understand do to his accent as is the Norwegian. actually funny thing is even though im about 35-45% Norge myself the freaking Norwegian accent is the hardest for me to understand.
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    i dont know if it realtes to what is the mood right now, but something interesting. some years ago, mexico said that their economy wasnt run by US money. they were wrong! mexico needs us for the money that we bring in as tourists. then again we need mexico for the workers, and for the legal ones, we need them to pay taxes to pay off the remainder people that are gonna get social security.

    seems that mexicans are the ones that are targeted more, especially because US neighbors mexico. what about the asians, islanders, and dont get stated with middle easterns and what not. isnt that the reason they started that immigration law thing, for TERRORISTS!? but somehow no one mentioned middle eastern, only mexicans.

    there is always good and bad people in every corner of this earth.

    what would happen if US went to a war, or even worse, a "TOTAL WAR!". like it was back then with the blacks, white US said that a black man can take a bullet as a white man can. sure an immigrant can take a bullet as a US citizen can...
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    I understand that it can be frustrating working with someone who can't speak or understand english but that should be a minor issue. Afterall there is no official language of the U.S. and to say that they have to learn english is just saying that you're too lazy to learn a 2nd language yourself.

    The first major issue as I see it is the border. There's a reason we have a border and so far that border has just been blurred out of existance. We need a solid border, not only to keep out illegal immigrants but possible terrorists using our weak southern border as a front to cross over.

    The second issue involving the illegal immigrants that already are here. They can mostly be dealt with by the upcoming issues but overall just leave them be. It would be too impossible to deport all of them and it would only cost us more money to do that.

    Health care issue. We need someone to bill. Even though they are stealing our health care I don't think it would be right to completely cut them off especially when in dire need. Just because they crossed the border does not mean we are responsible for them. The U.S. should bill the Mexican gov't everytime an illegal uses our health care. If not a direct bill to the gov't, some kind of price fixiation on imports/exports could be used. Some kind of burden needs to be put on Mexico.

    Car insurance. Same thing as earlier, we need someone to bill. If an illegal gets in a car accident, bill Mexico.

    Deportation. It costs us money to detain and export illegals. Mexico should have to pay these costs.

    Citizenship. Create more areas close to the border where information and applying for citizenship can occur. This would encourage more people to get naturalized then just cross the border.

    Just my $.02. Somehow Mexico needs to be burdened for their citizens crossing the border. Right now the gov't could careless, if they were being fined left and right I'm sure they would help us create a more solid border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I understand that it can be frustrating working with someone who can't speak or understand english but that should be a minor issue. Afterall there is no official language of the U.S. and to say that they have to learn english is just saying that you're too lazy to learn a 2nd language yourself.
    But I think that we've established that it IS a problem. The official language of the US IS English de facto (just not at the federal level.) We've had members post here, even, saying that it can lead to a dangerous situation, and that's a big deal. No? I don't think it'd be fair to call Steve lazy for not learning Spanish when it's not the language generally spoken. You could suggest that he may want to learn some terms but the whole point is that it should be the other way around.

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    Quote[/b] ]seems that mexicans are the ones that are targeted more, especially because US neighbors mexico. what about the asians, islanders, and dont get stated with middle easterns and what not.
    I think it's just a matter of numbers. The US shared a borded with Mexico, so there's a greater influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico, than from, say, Asia because of plain logistics and geography.


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    I'm note sure if billing Mexico would really help the situation. They don't smile upon people trying to leave the country illegally (and they sure as HECK don't like it when people come in to Mexico illegally.) The whole problem seems to be an economic one, and I'm not sure if further burdening Mexico is the way to help the situation. I'm not trying to start an aguement or something, just trying to discuss this -to clarify.-
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I understand that it can be frustrating working with someone who can't speak or understand english but that should be a minor issue. Afterall there is no official language of the U.S. and to say that they have to learn english is just saying that you're too lazy to learn a 2nd language yourself.
    ...I don't think it'd be fair to call Steve lazy for not learning Spanish when it's not the language generally spoken. You could suggest that he may want to learn some terms but the whole point is that it should be the other way around.
    ....HMMMM.... i think now its a must to learn a second language since most schools require it, unless if you are lazy. those who learn a second language or that already know a second language, english, like me, have better chances of getting hired in a densely populated area of immigrants or in an area that is highly diverse.

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