OK Now that I have cought up on this thread since I posted I am ready to reply.
First off. fc3srx713b, No that post was not dirrected at you, you were just the last one to post before I posted. I did mean what I said though, and I will leave it at that. It was a general statement though and not dirrected at anyone.
Now, This may be out of order from what I read, but I read it than decided to reply.
First off someone said that the logistics of verifying documentation of every worker would be impossible?? I say BS to that. I know EVERYONE here has heard of the Internet. We are using it here now. I know EVERYONE has heard of computers. Again we are all using them here. I KNOW that some people know that there are computers that can read handwriting. Its out there. With the internet the government can require everyone to scan and send coppies of appriate paperwork to a central mainframe or series of them that will scann for the name and SSN and do verifications on them without a human being involved except to fix the system if its down. Then print a list of red flags that need to be checked on. Once thats done then those with the red flags can be setup for a random audit like the IRS does with taxxes. When it comes to money we can crack down, but why not with immagrants? This would not only increase job need to set this up, and it will take time, but it will discorage businesses who may be hiring illegals.
Second someone said that a wall would be not practical? Why not? True most of the area is uninhabited desert, but here again computers or a series of computers connected to a main frame with recognition technology could be implimented. Once the wall is complete the computer will monitor the ENTIRE stretch of the wall. Motion detectors and cameras. If something is big enough to setoff the motion alarm then the camera activates and finds the movement, and if its humin it alerts the approriate people, if its a large animal it doesn't. Plus you embly sismic(sp) detectors to detect any tunnels being built under the wall. They are used all the time so could be used here too. Then Any time the ground shakes under it from a tunnel bing built someone gets alearted. Then those same detectors would also detect an exposion on the wall alerting the people. Now those folks monitoring the wall would need fast vehicles like appachi(sp) choppers other choppers and desert vehicles. To respond. It can be done.
3rd. My father got stationed to Germany when I was a teen, and he took a German language coarse so he could function over there. He didn't expect them to learn english, even though many knew it already. When I went over to visit I learned a few phrases, but it still wasn't enough to get by on. Heck I was a teen and didn't know any better. The thing I respect about Germans is that if they see you trying to speak German and stumble to bad they will speak to you in english, but if you go with the attitude of not even trying to speak German then they will not speak english no matter what you say to them. If your going to a country LEARN THE ACCEPTED LANGUAGE. Do not try to get them to convert them to yours. That is obserd! Now that doesn't mean learning a second language is not a good thing, but if your like me I couldn't grasp it. Maybe now that I am older I could, but as a teen I didn't do well with French. Can't remember but a few phrases, and forget about speaking to me in French I would be lost. Now if I went to france I wouls try to learn the language again now that I am older.
4th Someone said we should make it a rule to hire only english speaking people. Well, in an ideal world that might be great, but we live in a society that love to hollar "DESCRIMINATION" and anyone who deosn't speak english will try to sue. Some one will get legal status and then try to get a job and sue and be set for life. It should be made a requirement for citizenship. I say let them fill out the paperwork, if they meat the requirments, whatever those may be, give them probationary citizenship. With this probationary citizenship they have to agree to take a STATE or FED funded english class. I wouldn't mind using my tax dollars for that. That means FREE to the immagrant! A free english class that they are required to make a certain average on before the probabionary citizenship is a full citizenship. Now does this mean if they fail the first time its right back to WHEREEVER they come from? No I say give them 3 times to take the course, because like I said I am not good with languages, but I did ok enough to make c's and one d in highschool. So giving them 3 chances to go through the course would be ok with me.
5th Companies MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for hireing illegals. No ifs and or buts about it. If they cannot work here they will be less likely to come here. As I said before It is not about legal imagrants! It is about ILLEGAL imagrants! Many illegals, not all, are freeloading on our system and that burns me up. No matter where your from if your here illegal you need to go. We have enough to worry about with our citizen free loaders. I am all for helping someone try to get on their feet. By all means let me give you a hand if I can, but I will not support you if you have two perfectly good feet to stand on. So you may say I knwo many that are not freeloaders and working, yada yada yada. What about when they get sick? Where do they go? The ER! When they get there do they have insurance? More than likely not. Do they pay their bill when they are better? More than likely not, so then those people are FREE LOADING on my medical system! They are causing many of my peers across the nation to worry about their hospital closing due to lack of funds. Again I say many citizen freeloaders do this already so why should ne allow the addition? We can go to socialized medicine if everyone wants to, but I don't think you will like the results. I know in many places this is used you have to wait 6 months for a MRI or CT scann. By then it could be to late for your melignent brain tumor thats growing in your head. Many times by the time you see symptomes it needs to be a hurry to get it out before it spread to much. Then with socialized medicine if someone doesn;t stand to benefit from the surgery for one reason or the other you can be denied, since it has to be approved by a review board. So less femeral to polateal bypasses to save someones leg, and go straight to amputation. Since today we can do two or three before they revert to amputation. Sometimes not that many, but I have done a third revision to aleast attempt salvage. What about appendicitice(sp). Many Dr use CT to diagnose the problem. If CT takes 6 months then that means back to the days of go in an see and take it out if its bad or not. Now for the more devistating part of socialized medicine. When its first implimented there will be a decline in Dr from those that are close to retirement just getting out, because they will no longer be making any where near the money they are making. Those that just got in may stay and those that have made money, but are years from retirement may stick it out. Your going to have a decline in people going to medical school because there isn't the money like there was in the business. there is already a decline in reimbursements from medicare and this in turn leads to the decline of insurance reimbursements. Why do you think that some floors only have one nurse to 8 patients sometimes? It happens. Its not suposed to, but it does. Thats dangerous, but its because the hospitals cannot afford to pay the nurses what they are worth and cant get people. I duno if many of you realize it, but there is a nursing shortage, and its about to get REALY bad. The average age of a nurse is 45 to 50 I think? I can't remember the exact stats at the moment, but once those retire then there will be a big crunch. Since there are nto as many people going into nursing. this is on an upswing as enrolement increases slightly, but its not going to be enough when the people start retireing. Sorry for the long rant its time to get back on the subject.
Someone said something about Arizona belonging to mexico and this is a "taste of our own medicine." Well wasn't those teritories given to us as part of a peace settlement during the spanish american war? Those are spoils of war, and a different issue. I cannot remember how that war got started or if that is the correct war or not, but regardless that was one of the settlement agreements and it should be left at that.
Bruce I don't know what fox has to do with anything they are jsut reporting the news. From what I see on fox its all the protester saying we are against imigration, and I find myself talking to the TV asking who said anything about the legislation being about imigration. Its about ILLEGAL imigration. Those people here ILLEGALY. Not those who have papers to be here those folks are fine! Come one come all just go through the proper door before you enter.
The biggest issue is they are a burden on our tax dollar. Period. They do not contribute to those funds. Period! They take advantage of our laws against us. Why isn't a cop allowed to ask if they are a citizen or not? Why isn;t he allowed to ask him to show proof? He may not have it on him, but it can be produced. Now since they re a burdon and are not contibuting they why is it implied we owe them something? Also we shouldn't be educating thier children, but in turn sending them back as well. Truincy needs to be monitored because illegals children will stop attending school and that would be a dead giveaway. No matter the nationality of the ILLEGAL the same rules should apply! Illegal is Illegal is Illegal. I for one think our economy would be fine without them her to do the work of a slave, since thats basicly the way its being conducted at the moment. Sub wages, sub living, and the threat of being reported keeps them working for peanuts, and that is not right as well. So to stop that kind of behaviour why would anyone be against them registering and becomeing citizens. Then they could send MORE money back home, and assist others to join them in a beter life LEGALY! And once they are legal here they they can enjoy the same rights we enjoy, and they would be contibuting to the system the freeloaders exploit. It just makes more sence to me to become legal because that way you could have a better wage and more money to send home. If thats what they accualy do with the money.
Now I know there is no fool proof system to stop things coming or going, and forget about my vice that happens to come over by the tons from Mexico. Luckly alot if grown in Ky too. LMAO Plus the largest US grower is the US government anyways, but thats another story. I know it may look like its dirrected at mexico, but its not. It just happens to be the largest entry point. Not only for mexicans to come over, but for anyone not a citizen that wants to get here illegaly can come through mexico. The plans I outlined will in fact slow it down, but will it stop it totaly? No nothing will, but that can't be a reason not to attept it. I know what I proposed will be expencive, and will someone who can make that decition, do something like that? More than likely not. No system is 100% fool proof yet, and probably never will be. The human mind is just to enginuative(sp), and will find a way to overcome any obstical. Necessity is the mother of all invention.