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    One of my biggest peevs with windows is that most of the folks who go "Oh it's so easy, I never have a problem, yadda yadda" are the folks who get people like me to fix their problems. Believe me, the anguish and pain is there, it's just passed on to another.

    As for MACs, I could never bring myself to use a one-buttoned mouse. I... Don't see the point. Is there something more effective in not having a scroll wheel? Am I delivered from evil by not being able to right click? Is dragging a most time efficient process? If use a graphical interface, I want to be able to effectively move through it, and that means using a scroll wheel, directing things to places and performing actions using a right click. If I didn't want to have the ability to right click, I'd go right ahead and use a command line to get my things done (and I will when it's more time effective!) "Style" over efficiency? Not worth the headache.

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    Quote[/b] ]PCs are for people who don't know how to overclock and blast through data so I don't call what I'm building a PC
    I've come to loathe the term "PC." First off: politcally correct is quite often dumb (offtopic, I know.) But when you think about it, MACs are PCs. If your machine runs windows, it's a PC. IF you run *nix on your machine, it's a PC. That isn't to say that you can't run those things on something that isn't a PC... The bottom line: if you're using it for your personal use, it's a PC. Things are aren't PCs would be things like servers.

    I'm generally not anal about terms like this, but every time I see a MAC comercial blasting "PCs," I want to throw my tv out the window. For all I know, I could even be off base in my thinking- but the point is PC = Personal Computer. If it has a microprocessor and is used for personal usage as in a home, school, or work environment, it's probably a PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Est @ July 01 2006,8:28)]As for MACs, I could never bring myself to use a one-buttoned mouse. I... Don't see the point. Is there something more effective in not having a scroll wheel? Am I delivered from evil by not being able to right click? Is dragging a most time efficient process? If use a graphical interface, I want to be able to effectively move through it, and that means using a scroll wheel, directing things to places and performing actions using a right click. If I didn't want to have the ability to right click, I'd go right ahead and use a command line to get my things done (and I will when it's more time effective!) "Style" over efficiency? Not worth the headache.
    Ummm, you do know that you can use ANY mouse with a Mac right? Well except serial mice that is. I use a Logitech scroll wheel optical for instance....

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Est @ July 01 2006,2:28)]I've come to loathe the term "PC." First off: politcally correct is quite often dumb (offtopic, I know.) But when you think about it, MACs are PCs.
    No, MAcs are not PC's, simply because of how the term "PC" is used and understood in the computer world.

    "PC" does not mean "personal computer"..
    it actually means "a specific type of personal computer that normally runs windows, made by any one of a billion computer makers EXCEPT Apple"

    therefore, virtually any personal computer is a PC, unless its a MAC..in which case its not a PC, but instead a MAC.

    therefore, MACs are not PCs..
    everyone understands and accepts this..
    and has since the beginning of time.
    there is no controversy or confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]"PC" does not mean "personal computer"..
    it actually means "a specific type of personal computer that normally runs windows, made by any one of a billion computer makers EXCEPT Apple"

    therefore, virtually any personal computer is a PC, unless its a MAC..in which case its not a PC, but instead a MAC.
    It's not a technical matter- I work with computers. Saying MACs aren't PCs is a marketing ploy. It's an easy way for MAC to try to say "we're not a PC because PC = windows, so PC = bad!" They can talk crap about windows without saying "windows." There is no technical or mechanical feature differentiating a MAC preventing it from falling under the category of PC. Your points support mine- "the only reason a MAC aint a PC is because it's a MAC". I know we're sort of arguing semantics here, but I probably have too much time on my hands.

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    Quote[/b] ]Ummm, you do know that you can use ANY mouse with a Mac right? Well except serial mice that is. I use a Logitech scroll wheel optical for instance....
    I know, that's why every time I've been required to use a MAC I swipe the nearest real mouse I can get. The worst are MAC mice and those little nubs that some laptops have in the middle of their keyboard- peripherals from hell!!
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    Oh hell. I have to chime in again. I agree PC= personal computer in my mind. Therefor Sony play-station, Xbox, Windows based machine, and even macs are in my mind PCs. I can't help it that this world of ours has to classify everything and change the meaning to every word from its intended use. The original phrase PC = personal computer period.

    Now as far as windows vs. Mac OS. I love windows. I can't figure out why people like the Mac os. Personally I have had more trouble with Macs than I have with PCs. True I have never owned a mac and never will. I have had to fix Macs a lot in high school though. The network was always going down in the computer lab that was Mac based. Of course this was years ago back when win 3.1 and win 95 were out. The problem with windows is people do not clear out caches and things like that to keep their computer running smooth. They do not defragment files and things causing corrupted files that crash computers. Mac must do a lot of this without the person even knowing. I find that really hardware related rather than software. Cheaply insulated Hard drives can cause fragmented files when a magnetic field comes close. Not to mention most windows computer cases are metal cases. A lot of macs are built inside a plastic housing.

    I also use IE and have tried fire fox, but found many sites don't like it. Also if your using the appropriate software on your computer your not going to get the spy ware and ad-ware. You will also be protected from most viruses. The reason Macs have less viruses is because the system is not that widely used yet in the personal realm. Not like Windows based machines are anyway. Why is someone going to devote time to developing a virus when its not going to have a big impact. Most companies use windows so why not devote time to a virus that will have an impact. Don't think for one minute that Macs are immune. They are not. No one has devoted the time to infect them yet.

    Now we also have to look at another thing. Who is envious of who? I do not recall seeing a traditional windows OS computer maker offering to make computer with the chip sets to run Mac OS, but I have seen that Macs are now coming with Intel chip sets to run Windows on a Mac. Kinda makes you think huh??
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JB_OrchidGuy @ July 02 2006,1:32)]I also use IE and have tried fire fox, but found many sites don't like it.
    That's because web developers are still forced to bend to the silly coding Internet Explorer often requires because IE is still used by 60% of the internet (vs. around 25% with Firefox). Firefox is by far the most standards-compliant browser out there, and it can sometimes be somewhat tough on bad code because of that fact. And that's a good thing. Enabling bad code in the past is part of why there are browser issues at all today. A site that works in IE but not Firefox was built by someone who probably won't have a job a few years from now.

    I'm not going to go into why web standards are crucial to the future of innovation on the internet, but guys, trust me, in the world where people know how the web works behind the scenes, there is no debate whatsoever. Microsoft screwed up.

    The people developing IE7 are finally starting to understand that proprietary loses to standards every time (which is very un-Microsoft-like of them) and that browser should be a good step toward a web that works right. A web we should have had all along.

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    Quote[/b] ]The reason Macs have less viruses is because the system is not that widely used yet in the personal realm.
    That really just isn't accurate. Usually a virus is technically an exploit of a bug or a bad methodology employed in an OS. Microsoft's methodology and bloated coding just invites the slew of viruses out there.

    Mac OS is now the Mac GUI on top of a Unix variant running the show. Of course this isn't virus-free, but this variant is open source. Which means, well, I'm sure you know what the implications there are. Fixing an OS bug is like a badge of honor for a programmer... bugs are constantly ferreted out by people who genuinely know what they're doing. This is not how Microsoft works at all. If their OS became open source tomorrow, within a month thousands of bug fixes would have been submitted, maybe more. So it's not just an issue of who's more visible.

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    Quote[/b] ]Now we also have to look at another thing. Who is envious of who? I do not recall seeing a traditional windows OS computer maker offering to make computer with the chip sets to run Mac OS, but I have seen that Macs are now coming with Intel chip sets to run Windows on a Mac. Kinda makes you think huh??
    Building a single computer that runs all of the three major computer OS's in the world. Gee, why would someone who wants to sell computers do such a thing?

    And you do know that the company that makes the old Mac chips just couldn't keep up, right? Apple was very unhappy with their progress in developing faster and faster speeds. Moving on to Intel or AMD was a no-brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JB_OrchidGuy @ July 02 2006,1:32)]The problem with windows is people do not clear out caches and things like that to keep their computer running smooth. They do not defragment files and things causing corrupted files that crash computers. Mac must do a lot of this without the person even knowing.
    I also thought I'd mention that I found this comment interesting.

    Can the world even conceive of a computer where these problems were anticipated and solved beforehand? Why do we just assume from the start that these problems exist on any and all computer platforms and will need to be dealt with by the user to avoid dire consequences? Why are we this accepting of failure, when we'd never buy cars or TVs or kitchen appliances that gave the average person the same level of grief?

    I'm not saying the Mac is this computer. It's just something to think about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I also use IE and have tried fire fox, but found many sites don't like it.
    i must not surf near as much as i think i do as i really havent run into problems with firefox, guess im not as bad as i thought i was
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