Yes, I'm not promoting daturas as a medicament or smoking mixture just the horticultural aspects. I myself never read Castenada and I have no idea what he actually writes about but my late pal Kaleb was very enamored with the books and it made him want to study shamanism.
There's a recipe in the Priessel book for reducing vericose veins with a salve made of Datura or Brugmansia but that's one of the ways the old tyme witches used to use it (as a salve) or so I recall reading.While I have ugly legs from standing on concrete 12 hours a day for the last two decades I don't think I'll be whipping up a batch!
As far as insence use Datura just smells like a burning dried up fall leaf, not great, much better sniffing the flowers at night (or bring the pot in the house at night for a great scent while you sleep). Even of the true insence resins there are many that are not great or just downright reek such as camphor, frankinscence and myrr. each one burnt alone you COULD raise the dead with that stench My faveorite stuff is: Dragonsblood resin and the Ambergris mixture.
Years back my cousin was selling insence & herbs at the Rennaisance Faire and their booth had got in a bunch of true Mandrake root I had to get some. Another dud as far as insence goes. I recall you (Tam) were looking for the live plant last year or so but all I've been able to find in the US is the Podophyllum "May Apple" not the true old world mandrake. On Ebay there's a seller who has a four pack of Hemlock, Mandrake (real one), Datura and Belladona seeds but he's in the UK. I try not to buy seed from outside the US since technically we're not supposed to get it without mountains of hassle and paperwork but I have received it every time I've ordered seed from foreign sellers by accident.
Youre welcome, I just dont understand why any one would want to talk to their book bag or fan for 2-3 hours and think its their best friend they havent seen for 15-20 years then come in and out of it for a few moments and realize its just youre book bag. And just the fact that their could be a bad trip, im sure once you see those horrible images its stuck in youre mind through out the trip and you cant get them out.
Sounds like its a preaty crappy insence go me. And why people would contiune to do ita fter all the bad rep its gotten?
Nep AK you've never taken any psychoactive compounds? Do you ever drink alcohol? Everyone's "trip" so to speak is different since everyone's mind is wired differently. Just as some drunks get happy and sing and talk loudly, my old man used to get angry and throw stuff. Liqour is legal and sold on every street.. So it goes with any mind altering substance, some people may have a pleasureable experience and some may have horrific hallucinations or in teh case of the bag chat someone was really bored! Those willing to take that chance of datura poisoning from over dosing may as well get drunk and drive home from the bar, you are taking the same risk, even more so with the alcohol as you may kill someone else.
Anyhoo, my thoughts are that people want to see if it's bad rap is warranted so they imbibe some of the plant "to see what will happen". I fully believe that if our newspapers would stop printing huge photos of the plant saying "the hallucinogenic garden plants" kids would have no idea that these shrubs and vines*had any properties. How many 14 year olds (other than the ones on this board) are amateur botanists and can identify plants by memory from something they read in a book? When I was a kid there was only one shape of leaf I knew about from seeing it on tee shirts and hats... *
I love growing them though, very fast and floriferous. And the history of the plant interests me a great deal. Should I ever get a house I will have a whole herbal garden of ancient medicinal plants as that historical sort of gardening fascinates me.
I should have 2 whites (D. inoxa) and 2 double yellows D. metel's open tonight at the same time. My purple D. metel looks like it's getting ready to fork (begin flowering) D. stramontinum var. tatula, D. ferox (armored datura with huge spiked pods & small flowers) and D. wrightii (largest flower species) should be the next ones. *I'll get pics as the new species open.
Yes Ive taken phsycoactive compounds. but None the less you can still have a BAD trip and generaly certain things happen with a certain drug. On datura plants, people will some times or generaly see inanimant objects become objects of reality what they think is real. Wich is why this drug gets its rep, so does Night shade. While their are many variables, the general out come of taking the herb.
And it is a part of the whole trend of wanting to rebel against their parents and the world. I know I did. and Thats acutaly what got me into horticulture/botany. But I dont interact in this kind of social recreational use any more.
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worst trip ever. intense delierium and hospitalization, followed by a week (spring break) of phycho evaluation. second time i remember stuff, and it was a neutral trip. nonsense halucinations and tentacles growing out of the ceiling like The Grudge. i was strung out for a whole day. after i came down and woke up it was noon, and i thought it was amazing that is was daylight at midnight. *DONT DO IT. fine line between tripping and overdosing.
If they are potted you can bring them in and sleep with the open flowering plant next to the bed at night (make sure pets can't get at it while you're sleeping). Some people say it causes nightmares to sleep with Daturas in the room but I never remember my dreams.
I suppose if the neighbors start to ask why I'm screaming "el diablo!!!" at 5 am then I'll know something is up that I don't recall...