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    Quote[/b] ]the problem with solar is with current technology it isnt terribly effective in some areas. however it sure would help at lowering the power needs of the country as a whole but it also takes money out of energy company pockets.at the moment i think it would cost me around $15,000 for a system that would give me enough electricity to run my house. however due to snow fall and severly overcast days in winter i would still need to be hooked up to the grid. after we get the house paid for i might just concider doing it the only problem is finding the materials since its solar energy companies arent terribly common in MT
    Well, you are going to actually WANT to still be connected to the grid, for two reasons. One is that there will be days when you are going to need some extra juice.

    The other is that on days when you produce MORE power than you need, you can sell it back INTO the grid - i.e. your meter will run backwards. I bet this would be more often than not. Now, between the savings on power, and the possible earnings on selling the extra, you MIGHT even be able to recoup the $15k.

    As far as solar power companies in MT, I can't help ya there! Maybe you should start one....
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    Quote[/b] (Jason Wong @ July 26 2006,9:04)]Huh? How would energy from hydrogen be able to produce enough energy to split water and to power the car as well? 2nd law of thermodynamics...where would the extra energy come from?
    I have no clue how he dose it. But it works and his car passes all fedreal regulations and he has a lot of patents on his technology. I just hope he can go big with it. I know for a fact that my RX7 will run on hydrogen just fine and if I can get a system like his, it would rock.
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    I saw no mention of nuclear or fusion power in this discussion. Would someone care to expound?

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    From my knowledge....Fusion in theory would solve most of the world's energy problems. The issue is that Fusion needs to occur at a temperature of approx 1 000 000*C. In order to harness the energy the Nuclear plant must be able to withstand these incredibly high temperatures. The EU met on the idea of fusion last year and granted France a few million to design the plant. It's due to be constructed by the mid to late 2020's. Since it is also only a prtotype that would not provide a significant source of commercial energy it would take another 10-15 years following it's construction to build a commercial one. This is all dependant on whether the theory works out and we can build such a high tech reactor and control the fusion core. Cold fusion, which is the theory that a fusion reaction could take place at room temperature and at normal pressure is still under debate. A panel of 18 scientists met in 2004 to discuss it and two-thirds were not convinced that the theory would translate into a working reaction.

    Nuclear in general is another viable source of energy but it is in no-way capable of filling the oil gap. Allow me to show you exhibit 1:



    This Graph shows the history of american energy consumption. It was released by the Energy Information Administration in 2004.

    In order to maintain growing energy demands we would have to be building a new nuclear plant every month for the next 20 years. Since it takes about 7 years to construct a nuclear plant and another 2-3 to certifie it and get it up and running you can count out this possibility. Even if this was achieved Nuclear is still non-renewable so we would just be buying ourselves a little time, rather than fixing the underlying problem within our culture.

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    I think I'm still skeptical of the whole HHO technology. If it was as significant as the technology suggests (i.e. it broke the 2nd law of thermal dynamics!!!) then I think it would recieve a little more attention than it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (jojo @ July 26 2006,9:35)]aahh.. isnt' the internet already starting us doing that.... I don't need to see my clients any longer...
    Unfortunately not everyone can work from home, but this does help. Too bad that automobiles are used for more than just work. Leisure travel has become equivalent to a right in this country it is a very democratic situation. 95% of voters drive, that other 5% being the elderly, blind, and just people who don't care to. This means that laws pertaining to transportation are almost guarenteed to be passed seeing as they are beneficial to everyone. However with rising gas costs people are going to be turned away from this luxury. First the poor, then the middle class, and after awhile it will only be the upper class driving this would change the balance dramatically. You would now have 20% of voters being daily drivers and the other 80% finding alternatives. Prior to this point laws pertaining to the maintanence and advancement of the automobile will have become useless to most voters thus cutting off funding and ending the use of leisure automobile traffic. This will mark a great change in our culture. It just depends at which point the gas prices start to drive people away, in determining when this is going to happen. Of course a depression will ensue as this process takes place. The poor may revolt, the middle class may revolt, but the huge scale will force our economy to a grinding halt. Where things go from there I can only guess.

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    p.s. That horse concept bears more weight than you may think to give it. A horse is most likely the most efficient form of transportation. it's fuel can be picked up free almost everywhere and the only byproduct can be used to grow more of it's food.
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    From what I understand, HHO is not new. Its been around forever but has never made it big because the people who invented ways to use it were sucked up by oil companys so they could keep us on oil instead.

    It sounds like a conspiracy to me but I have seen the car and the technology and I would love to see more of it on a nationwide scale.
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    All white House propaganda aside, this is what I read about Hydrogen being plentiful, albeit currently more expensive than gasoline:

    Fact Sheet: Hydrogen Fuel: a Clean and Secure Energy Future




    In his State of the Union address, President Bush announced a $1.2 billion hydrogen fuel initiative to reverse America's growing dependence on foreign oil by developing the technology for commercially viable hydrogen-powered fuel cells to power cars, trucks, homes and businesses with no pollution or greenhouse gases. The hydrogen fuel initiative will include $720 million in new funding over the next five years to develop the technologies and infrastructure to produce, store, and distribute hydrogen for use in fuel cell vehicles and electricity generation. Combined with the FreedomCAR (Cooperative Automotive Research) initiative, President Bush is proposing a total of $1.7 billion over the next five years to develop hydrogen-powered fuel cells, hydrogen infrastructure and advanced automotive technologies.

    Under the President's hydrogen fuel initiative, the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by fuel cells. The hydrogen fuel initiative complements the President's existing FreedomCAR initiative, which is developing technologies needed for mass production of safe and affordable hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles. Through partnerships with the private sector, the hydrogen fuel initiative and FreedomCAR will make it practical and cost-effective for large numbers of Americans to choose to use clean, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by 2020. This will dramatically improve America's energy security by significantly reducing the need for imported oil, as well as help clean our air and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    Background on Today's Presidential Action


    Fuel Cells are a Proven Technology: America's astronauts have used fuel cells to generate electricity since the 1960s, but more work is needed to make them cost-effective for use in cars, trucks, homes or businesses. Additional research and development is needed to spur rapid commercialization of these technologies so they can provide clean, domestically produced energy for transportation and other uses.

    The President's Initiatives Will Overcome Key Technical and Cost Barriers for Fuel Cells:

    Lowering the cost of hydrogen: Hydrogen is four times as expensive to produce as gasoline (when produced from its most affordable source, natural gas). The hydrogen fuel initiative seeks to lower that cost enough to make fuel cell cars cost-competitive with conventional gasoline-powered vehicles by 2010; and to advance the methods of producing hydrogen from renewable resources, nuclear energy, and even coal.

    Creating effective hydrogen storage: Hydrogen storage systems are now inadequate for use in the wide range of vehicles that consumers demand. New technology is needed.

    Creating affordable hydrogen fuel cells: Fuel cells are now ten times more expensive than internal combustion engines. The FreedomCAR initiative is working to reduce that cost to affordable levels.

    America's Energy Security is Threatened by Our Dependence on Foreign Oil:

    America imports 55 percent of the oil it consumes; that is expected to grow to 68 percent by 2025.

    Nearly all of our cars and trucks run on gasoline, and they are the main reason America imports so much oil. Two-thirds of the 20 million barrels of oil Americans use each day is used for transportation; fuel cell vehicles offer the best hope of dramatically reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

    Hydrogen fuel Will Help Ensure America's Energy Independence:

    Through the hydrogen fuel initiative and FreedomCAR, the federal government, automakers and energy companies will work together to overcome the technological and financial barriers to the successful development of commercially viable, emissions-free fuel cell vehicles that require no foreign oil.

    Hydrogen is domestically available in abundant quantities as a component of natural gas, coal, biomass, and even water.

    The Department of Energy estimates that the hydrogen fuel initiative and FreedomCAR initiatives may reduce our demand for petroleum by over 11 million barrels per day by 2040 - approximately the amount of oil America imports today.

    Fuel Cells Will Improve Air Quality and Dramatically Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions:

    Vehicles are a significant source of air pollution in America's cities and urban areas. Hydrogen fuel cells create electricity to power cars without any pollution.

    The hydrogen fuel and FreedomCAR initiatives may reduce America's greenhouse gas emissions from transportation alone by more than 500 million metric tons of carbon equivalent each year by 2040. Additional emissions reductions could be achieved by using fuel cells in applications such as generating electricity for residential or commercial uses.

    Hydrogen is the Key to a Clean Energy Future:

    It has the highest energy content per unit of weight of any known fuel.

    When burned in an engine, hydrogen produces effectively zero emissions; when powering a fuel cell, its only waste is water.

    Hydrogen can be produced from abundant domestic resources including natural gas, coal, biomass, and even water.

    Combined with other technologies such as carbon capture and storage, renewable energy and fusion energy, fuel cells could make an emissions-free energy future possible.

    The Hydrogen Fuel Initiative Complements President Bush's FreedomCAR initiative:

    In 2002, President Bush launched FreedomCAR, a partnership with automakers to advance high-technology research needed to produce practical, affordable hydrogen fuel cell vehicles that American consumers will want to buy and drive.

    The hydrogen fuel initiative will develop technologies for hydrogen production and distribution infrastructure needed to power fuel cell vehicles and stationary fuel cell power sources.

    President Bush's Budget Provides Strong Support for Hydrogen Fuel and FreedomCAR:

    President Bush proposes $1.7 billion in funding for the hydrogen fuel initiative and FreedomCAR over the next five years, including $720 million in new funding for hydrogen fuel.

    The President's FY 2004 budget request for hydrogen and fuel cell research and development and advanced automotive technologies through the hydrogen fuel and FreedomCAR programs is $273 million.
    For more information on the President's initiatives, please visit www.whitehouse.gov

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