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    lol, imagine what i could do if i REALLY wanted to impress yah just gave yah a taste of the old black powder rounds......heck the Sharps Company cartridges would be a thread unto themselves. other than factory rounds you have wildcats and proprietary rounds. both moder and "obsolete" rounds though technically very few rounds are obsolete, if you can find brass and bullets and dies the old ones work just fine. heck the 30-06 is 100 years old. lots of history to work through. add that tho the fact that both the USA and Austrailia have a long history of wildcating it makes things more confusing. the Brits and other Europeans(mainly Germans and Fins) have a heck of a history as well. im mostly familiar with whats happened here but i am also interested in the old African rounds made by the Brits and Germans. been reading on some of the Aussie stuff as well lately.
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    What is wildcatting? Is there where the casing is different from the actual bullet?
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    ok heres my best go at explaining it:

    wildcatting: taking an existing factory case and necking it up or down and/or improving its shape. these are not offered by the normal ammunition companies as loaded ammunition. wild cat cartridges can become factory rounds examples: 35 Whelen(30-06 necked up to take .358 bullets, no other changes) 25-06(30-06 necked down to take .257 bullets). my 375WSM is a wildcat, its the 300WSM necked up to take .375 bullets.

    on the other side of the coin you have Proprietay rounds. these are rounds that are availible as loaded ammunition from a single source. a good example are the Weatherby rounds. this also has some grey areas. i have a 338-06(30-06 necked up to 338) technically A-Square(a small company) standerdized the round around 8 years ago making it a proprietary round as well as a wildcat. Weatherby brought out a rifle in 338-06 6 years ago and offered loaded rounds for it, technically at this point its still proprietary though if the main ammunition companies start loading it it will be a factory round as well since i dont believe A-Square has copywrited it to the point of not letting anyone else load for it as long as they stamp "338-06 A-Square" on the headstamp.

    its sorta muddy waters, most any wildcat can become a factory cartridge, infact the 280 Remington Ackley Improved recently was standerdized. and most factory rounds started life as either wildcats or proprietary rounds.
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    It is starting to make a little more sence. I am starting to visualize it now. The more you explain the clearer it becomes. Thank you very much for explaining it Sheridan. I will have to go read some more once I get some free time.

    BTW this is off topic, but were you able to see the Nano Viv in the links I sent you?
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    lol thanks for reminding me, was on dial up at home and only saw about half of it. will check it out again. cool stuff, going to have to find some of that pipe
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    I might have some 20mm cannon brass around here somewhere and you should be able to do some serious wildcatting with those. My father brought them home from a test range years ago, along with a 30mm dummy round. You could neck that one down to .22 and invent a 22-1200. That could be the ideal varmint round for Hummer drivers.
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    GOOD LOAWD. If the number your talking about Bruce,22-1200, means what I think it means that is going to be one speedy 22 round. LOL Wouldn't that be like putting a 22 round in a berrett riffle casing? Heck the cizilian round of the berret can almost penetrate the plate armor of the army hummer!
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    prolly not as good as you think Bruce, doubt i could find a powder slow enough to work and it would prolly burn out the barrel in 2 shots. i do actually know of a few wild cats off of 20mm Vulcan brass though its been shortened. IIRC the one took bullets that were .729 inches across and were fired from a rifle weighting 120 pounds with a highly efficient muzzel break. still kicked like an SOB. looked like a 50 cal sniper rifle on steroids. the brass alone was $40 a piece and the bullets were made one at a time on a lathe
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