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    I'm still for the electoral college, exactly for the reason it was put there in the first place. Yeah I know there are corrupt politicians, yadda yadda, but the general populace is way too stupid (for lack of better term) to rule itself. Scientists, doctors, etc, people that I would like to run the society I live in, represent the top 1% or so of the nation in brainpower, with many 100s of millions falling very, very, very far behind. Do you really want other people to choose your leaders by popular vote, when, in spite of MOUNDS of evidence they still believe in the "balance of nature" hypothesis and creationism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I'm still for the electoral college, exactly for the reason it was put there in the first place. Yeah I know there are corrupt politicians, yadda yadda, but the general populace is way too stupid (for lack of better term) to rule itself. Scientists, doctors, etc, people that I would like to run the society I live in, represent the top 1% or so of the nation in brainpower, with many 100s of millions falling very, very, very far behind. Do you really want other people to choose your leaders by popular vote, when, in spite of MOUNDS of evidence they still believe in the "balance of nature" hypothesis and creationism?
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    Yes, yes, oh god yes.

    He and Mark Warner are my poltical heroes

    Sadly, the latter has ruled out running in 08
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    Quote[/b] (schloaty @ Oct. 19 2006,9:13)]What I'm waiting for is someone who runs and tells the truth - something along the lines of "yeah, I did when I was younger - if you don't like that, don't vote for me."
    Well, according to the time article I read last night Obama does talk about some of the bad things he did in the past such as Cocaine IIRC. The catch is they are in his book, but not to hard for a smear campaign to find. It is in the public eye. He also gives his life history how his parents divorced and he lived with his grandparents in Hawaii. How he once sat in on a socialist meeting and some other things.

    I have to admit that I have not read everything he stands for, but someone put that you don't get to vote for who you want really since if your write in a candidate that is as good as tossing your vote into the "trashcan" literally. I say I would vote for him IF he ran, but it would really depend on who the other party and independents pull out to run. I really would like to see a true multi-party system and term limits for congress people.

    Phissionkorps actually has a point if you thing about it. The American populace is too emotionally charged. They vote on feelings and not on issues really. You may not, but crackhead Jackie who gets paid 20 bucks to go vote does. Or the welfare 18 y/o who doesn't have a TV goes down to vote, but has no clue what issues the candidate is running on. I have to admit I have gone down and voted just to vote not having a clue what the people stood for. I have done this on local elections. So when you have say government for the people by the people you cannot just apply that to voting you have to apply that to your senators too and have them do your bidding when in office. To me that is lacking.

    I heard something last night that just came to me and dawned on me. President Bush said last night you cannot always make decisions on opinion polls. Sometimes you have to do what is right. Now you can take this in two ways. Either you can see it as he is ruling and not doing what the people wants, or you can look at it as he is making an informed decision based on knowing all the information. Based on information the public does not know!!! I may not like everything that goes on in the Whitehorse, but I also realize I do not have all the info too. Some of you may find yourself doing the same thing had you had all the facts. Remember not everything comes out in the media and they sure do not share all the info they have. So you have to put some power into their hands and not everything can be for the people by the people since the people are not always up to speed on all the info going on around the world.

    Est I feel your pain, but you obviously have not come face to face with someone that has the IQ smaller than a rock. The sad thing is that there are more people with the IQ of -2 then there are people with high IQ's. Most people here on the board have a decent IQ. They can get on line and do things they need to do, but there are some folks who this is even a challenge. Education is getting better, but you still have a slew of dopes around too. Most people of some intelligence do not associate with them, but they are there.

    Pyro I agree with you, but until someone of that caliber decides to run then its kinda hard to put on in office. I agree we need to live in the 21 century and not the dark ages. Stem cell research should be used. Genetically getting rid of diseases needs to be studied. Science is the way of the future. We have explanations for things now that we didn't in the future and we do not have to rely on saying God did that.
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    No because those I have seen from them are only worried about one thing. Granted it is a big thing, but you have to worry about the entire issues and not just one segment.
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    dang..................spend 2 days in a religious discussion on another site and i come back to this..............geez..........

    more conserned about the local county sheriffs and attorneys races myself, in one corner you have a guy that our last editor(in private) refered to him and his buddies as the Nazi b@#$@#& and the Gestapo, i think she was being kind, so far looks like he is going to win. the other guy is a down to earth type that i really like.

    as far as attorneys, you have a guy who has done a good job for the last 4 years with prosicuting case and such, collecting on bounced checks, enforcing parol violations ect but managed to be beat out in the primarys by a tax lawyer that hates court and wants to work part time.

    i think the local election would prolly have bigger consiquences on my personal life than most any presidential election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]He seems willing to see the other side if issues. Most folks today just want to see one side of the issue. I like the guy. To me he speaks whatis on his mind even if it means offending some of his supporters.
    Heartily agreed; if I have a choice between a "normal" politician who just trumpets one side and someone like Obama who can consider both sides of an issue and seriously weigh them, I'll vote for the latter, even if their views are more divergent from mine. I'd rather have someone who actually *thinks* than someone who, by coincidence happens to blurt out things I agree with.

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    Quote[/b] ]IM tierd of the people saying this person did this and this wrong, instead of saying what they are running for what they want to make better it pisses the hell out of me so when I vote (state and presidential) I plan on voting for the guy who acutaly presents his stuff and doesnt just say Hey I did this right he did that wrong..
    But shouldn't candidates be judged on how effectively they govern? If someone's record indicates they're willing to break all the promises they made to voters last time, why should I listen to his promises this time?

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    Quote[/b] ]The only politician that is getting my vote is one that acknowledges the benifits of science, especially the biological sciences. I am so sick and tired of living in the 21st century but feeling like we are in the days of Galileo and the Church.
    Strongly seconded.

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    Quote[/b] ]Stop spreading the Bear Agenda. They are taking over the country! Infiltrating out caves and mountain streams. One already took out a Salmon hatchery. Where does the madness end
    But we have a right to arm bears! How else will they forage unless we give them all guns?

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    Quote[/b] ]Est I feel your pain, but you obviously have not come face to face with someone that has the IQ smaller than a rock.
    Try TAing biology 101, or any other intro course. Your faith in human intellect will decline even further.

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    Quote[/b] ]The sad thing is that there are more people with the IQ of -2 then there are people with high IQ's.
    Actually, from a strictly statistical point of view, the IQ distribution is unskewed, so just as many people are above average as below average.

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