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    (Sorry, I don't know how to use the Quote button.)

    -How is the economy doing Tropics?
    -What are the unemployment figures?

    The Republican Contract With America talks about the fiscal condition of the federal government (which Congress can control), and not about the economy in general (which responds to many other factors besides the actions of Congress). The federal government under the Republicans has incurred record deficits.

    -Wasn't there some Democrat who made sexual advances toward an intern and a campaign worker?

    Do you mean that Democrat who was later re-elected? In any case, the Contract With America was a Republican idea that Republicans promised to honor. However, they showed no moral leadership in handling the Foley case.

    Maybe I didn't look closely enough. Did the Contract With America have a pull date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (wolf9striker @ Nov. 01 2006,2:53)]Clint & Joe - Just because each of you went to school with a couple of kids that joined the armed forces and they werent 'honor roll students' does not mean that the less intelligent people are the only ones to join. You cannot take a few examples that you are aware of and make a large generalization. Take a look at a few studies, they show time and time again that specific age brackets in the armed forces have equal to or higher intellingence then the same age bracket of people in the US.
    I didn't intend to make a generalization, Wolf, I'm stating that a few people I know are in this situation. And when I talk to friends of mine from other places around the country, they too usually have been acquainted with a few people who enlisted. I also have a number of friends and family whom are themselves enlisted, in a number of branches. And the overwhelming impression I get among the enlisted is that there is a sizable portion (if not a majority) of recent enlistees whom are not in a position to make an acceptable living in other occupations; these are kids that can't get jobs better than entry-level, and are in the military seeking employment skills. The way they see it, there simply is no other niche for them in our national economy. I don't claim to know the numbers, but I can say first hand, six of my seven enlisted acquaintences fit this bill, with the exception being a friend of mine who has a high school diploma and is in the Army until he can get a job with the local police force.
    You're the one who decided I was talking about everyone, and you again demonstrate one of the logical fallacies that I pointed out earlier. You've decided I'm putting down everyone, while I'm only referring to a limited group of the individuals in question. Also, I'm not talking about intelligence, I'm talking about employment skills. Diplomas, college degrees, and work experience. What tears me up is that a lot of my friends in Iraq right now are smart kids that got shafted by our school and wound up with grades and test scores too low for decent colleges, who enlisted in the short term to make a decent living while improving their situation. I feel like our country, particularly our government, has let them down and taken advantage of them in many ways, and I know a lot of people who agree with me.
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    Quote[/b] ]I would rather start hearing more important news. I think it was a bad joke personally, I dont think he would say what it seemed he said even if he thought it true. There is an important election in about a week, this is just distracting from it.
    Good to know there's things we can agree on from both sides of the fence. I don't understand why he would set himself up for this kind of thing, but then he isn't really running for anything so it could be that he had let his guard down. I would like to offer a little something I saw on tonight's Colbert Report with regards to Kerry's retraction of his comment. Kerry said that he missed an 'us' in his scripted joke;
    "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” -> "...If you don’t, you get us stuck in Iraq."
    A number of people seem to think that his comment must have been directed at the military at large, even if he did misspeak, but I think this is fairly strong evidence otherwise. Whatever you think of what he actually said, this minor alteration yeilds a comment that couldn't possibly be directed at anyone but the President, or possibly a few other figures in the highest levels of command. In addition to the fact that Kerry is not running and simply offering political commentary as an excercise of free speech, this is a major reason why I think this has been seriously overblown as a psuedo-campaign media event. Why can't the democrats just parade up conservative figures like the Westboro Baptist Church to demonize the republican agenda? (Er, is Westboro too right for the republicans?) It all seems rather low.
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    Quote[/b] (JB_OrchidGuy @ Nov. 02 2006,5:11)]Now to the Isreali issue. I think we give them too much money. I do believe they have the right to defend themselves though. And if going in with bombs to kill those against them they so be it. There are plenty of ways for the "innocent" civilians to get out of the way of this stuff. They could stop harboring these folks. They could stop allowing them to setup shop in the appartment buildings. Now they may not be able to stop them dirrectly, but they could report the strongholds instead of not saying anything. I am sorry if crazed suicide loons are strapping on bombs and blowing up resurants and civilian areas of mine I am going to do what it takes to eleviate my problem. So you can blame the civilian deaths on those terrorist that hide their weapons and leadership in civilian buildings.
    I agree we do give them too much money, in the tune of 4billion dollars a year for their military (so remember we paid for all those bombs droped on Lebanon). Now you say people have the right to defend themselves so groups like Hamas and Hezballah have the right to attack Isreali military instillations since Isreal illegally occupies their country (Palestine). Yet you make it sound as though you support Isreal. Isreal did not have to use bombs in the ways they did however, as Isreal chose to use cluster bombs and phosphrous (sp?) bombs in civilian areas when they had guided percision bombs equivillent to American bombs (we give them their technological advantage) And who are they going to report Hezballah to? The UN, America, Isreal, Lebanese forces clearly could not stop them who can they report them too. Why would they in that case do you have any idea who provides all the social services in that area, who provided the bomb shelters for people, who is rebuilding southern Lebanon, its Hezballah for all of those. Also you say its the terrorists fault but when did less than 10 deaths justify over 500 deaths. Isreal was clearly targeting civilians in my opinion. They were prepared to massacre the civilian population just like they did in 86. Dont blame this on Hezballah Isreal went way too far and took destruction to an extreme.
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    Aaaww, come on guys. I was just havin’ a little fun at Kerry’s expense. You got to admit the guy hasn’t got a clue. Even Jay Leno took a few shots at him. Lighten up.

    Seedjar, the national unemployment rate is 4.5%.
    About 1.5% of Americans are incapable of holding a job because of mental or physical limitations. At any given time, 1% have purposely quit their job to seek better, higher paying employment and 2% just don’t want to work. That is basically zero unemployment. What is your plan to improve that figure?

    Entry level jobs are just that, low paying jobs that require little skill but provide entry into the job market. I didn’t particularly like my first summer job during high school, a gofer on a construction site. I sure as hades didn’t like my summer job during college as a gravedigger at Mount Calvary Cemetery. They were far below my perceived station in life…but I needed money for my education.
    What is wrong with enlisting in the military to seek employment skills? You get three squares a day, free medical care and get paid for playing with all their neat toys…M-16s, SAWs, Abraham tanks, FA-18s, Spectre gunships…and making them go BOOM.


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    You are correct ktulu. It was Hezballah, not Hamas. I stand corrected.
    You are also right about Israel. Why would they have the audacity to invade Lebanon for such a minor thing like attacking a military position inside a sovereign nation, taking the soldiers hostage, killing JUST A FEW of them and then firing rockets at Israel? Perhaps Israel should have killed JUST A FEW Hezballah and let it go at that.

    And to lighten things up a little further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Lauderdale @ Nov. 02 2006,11:22)]Perhaps Israel should have killed JUST A FEW Hezballah and let it go at that.
    ... Yeah. They slaughtered the Lebanese. The isreali strikes weren't porportional at all.

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    DANG Lauderdale, here I thought an independent like myself wouldn't be swayed by propoganda but then you put up that poster. I must say there is something to be said for the Republican side. Is there one for the independent side ? Maybe the woman from Democracy Now ?

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    Well the dems have a reason to looked pissed! The republicans keep screwing up!

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    Republicans are turned on by Laura Bush??

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