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    Alright now Clint. Don't bring the race card into this already heated debate!

    Rubra you are still saying god or Jesus wrote the bible. They did not. Mark, Mathew, Luke and John were the only books written by people who supposedly lived when Jesus lived. The other books were written by people many hundreds of years later.

    Also you have to define perfect. The perfect girl in my eye is not the same perfect girl in your eyes or man or whatever your attraction may be. So who gets to set the definition of perfect?

    You say that spiritual and physical disease cam into the world when man decided to act on his free will. I am sorry that is BS. Man has always died, and there are fossils from creatures that lived BEFORE man. They too have always died. Man has never lived forever and the only way me might is through science. Religion is an antiquated way of thinking. Granted SOME of the things in religion are still good to live by, but the intolerance and discrimination parts need to be abolished. I am sick of people thinking there way is the only way of doing things. That is what drove me crazy about some of my math teachers. I used the rules of math and logic to complete problems one way, but the teacher wanted me to do them her way. I rebelled and continued to do it my way. The correlation here is that there is ALWAYS more than one way to skin a cat. We all are born and just here waiting to die. How we choose to get there is our business. I think it is time to write a new new testament to get all the religious nuts off the backs of some good people.

    Psst Clint if we write a book and call it the bible The New New testament. Then they will believe it! LOL Just kidding with this one, but it holds some truth. The Bible was written by man and was translated from an ancient language that is not spoken anymore. Ancient Hebrew is not like Hebrew of today from my understanding. Plus you ALWAYS loose something in translation so who is to say things were not interjected or misinterpreted?

    As far as Other religions being peaceful I guess that was a shot in the dark. LOL I told you I didn't know much about them. That is why I believe in science. Even though it was science that created the Nuke. Dang we can't get away from death and destruction if we tried!
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] So who gets to set the definition of perfect?
    God, silly.



    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] Psst Clint if we write a book and call it the bible The New New testament. Then they will believe it!
    It's called the book of mormon. They do believe it, and apparently Utah is the holy land.

    Jokes aside, Mormonism is a great example of a legitimate religion that started as a cult. IIRC, they killed the founder for blasphemy (Agian, look what the christians did)

    Scientology is another example.... not really a good example but still an example. It's sort of in between a cult and a legit religion.

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    Dude all religionstated as a cult with little followers. No one wants to admit it thoguh, but the signes are all there. Religion has not alway been and it is man made. People had to have something to believe in to explain the world when they did't know any better. That time has passed and it is sciences turn. We can explian the world now. We don;t have to rely on "because it is gods will" any more.

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    So who gets to set the definition of perfect?



    God, silly.
    Now which of the many gods from different religions is going to be the true meaning of perfect? Too many things left to interpretation. Just like the bible. I could read it and get one thing out of it and you could reading it and get another. It is all in how it is interpreted. There is suposedly a passage refuring to a dragon in the bible. There is loads of references to incest, yet that is shunned by the church. The book contradicts itself all over the place. I really need to sit down and read it just so I can better pick it apart. I just hope the thing doesn't burst into flames when I pick itup. LMAO
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    Lmao. You'r a true atheist. I love what you just said lmao.

    " I really need to sit down and read it just so I can better pick it apart."

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    Well, dude. I truly believe it is written by man. It is filled with flaws, and I believe it was changed by the Catholic church to what it is today.

    I had another atheist say that he has read it and it was a good story. Nothing more. LOL

    I am not a proclaimed Atheist yet. I believe there maybe something, but I don't believe this man made thing we call religion is what was intended. I am sorry I have to have proof and not just blind faith. If there is a god he knows this about man and wouldn't hide himself behind symbolism and a corrupt religion. He would make his presence known to those that ask to see it. I have asked before. I just want proof a god exists. That doesn't mean I would become religious. Since I believe that tis religion is not what Jesus intended it to be. BTW I do believe Jesus existed, but I do not believe he was of immaculate conception. He was just a man that started this cult called Christianity. I also never said he was a bad man. For all I know he was a kind and compassionate like people say, but I also believe he was manipulative and coercive too. I think his crucifixion was setup by him a Judah. I believe Jesus asked Judah to betray him like he did. Then someone helped him off the cross for his "resurrection". People were gullible back in those days. What better way to get people to follow you than to fake your death and come back from the dead? Classic slight of hand mixed with gullibleness. I can hardly wait till they finish translating the Gospel of Judah. The one text the church searched out to destroy. Thank our stars that someone hid the one copy we have today. Although it is badly degraded from being kept in a safety deposit box for all those years.

    I also do not believe this country has become what its founding fathers intended. They didn't intend for the government to be in every aspects of civilian life, yet it is getting that way. The government is getting to big for its own good.
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    Then your agnostic like me. hurrah!

    I was raised to believe in god (my parents are secular but they still believe in god) Religion was never around the house and we never went to church or anything, but still. In the back of my mind i'm like "dude what if?" But i'm still going to wallow in "sin". It's human nature to "sin". "sin" is what MAKES us human.

    As far as those "miracles" jesus did, anything by david blane or chris angel trumps jesus any day of the week.

    I always wondered if Judah was put up to do it. Someone had to do it.

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    Ah, good old PFT! Just has that Z!NG in the air! *Takes deep breath* You smell that? Electricity!

    Honestly though, up 'til now I haven't managed reading through posts upon posts on these subject matters without at least blurting out something horrendously stupid and/or offensive. I feel at ease since I am merely a spectator from across the pond now, and you folks have no idea how refreshing it is to hear the PEOPLES' voices.

    "Is it more altruistic to worship
    Or actually help fellow man?"
    "The world could certainly use some miracles
    Until then I'll put my faith in human beings" - snippets from a light-hearted song by NOFX.

    Cheers all, keep it civil!
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    -I started this thread and would like to recap what has been said about “hot button” issues in the upcoming election…MOST of you are saying that gay rights and religious beliefs are the reasons I should vote for a candidate.

    -Very few of you seemed to be interested in the attributes that make a good president.

    -At the risk of offending anyone…please do not bother to vote.

    I was hoping for a lively and civil political debate, something along the line of JB OrchidGuy’s “Would you vote for Obama in 08”.

    Where did I go wrong?

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