I would like everyone's opinion.
I would like everyone's opinion.
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"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government." - Thomas Paine
I think that about covers it for me. Were you also looking for opinions on whether patriotism, by a given definition, is a good or bad thing?
Well if Thomas Paine is correct, I have no doubt he is, then the government best watch out and stop asking people to be patriots because we seriously need to be protected from our government alot of times! Even though I am not a liberal I applaud the most liberal city in the nation. Hooray to San Diego for finally doing what the people want!
That reminds me of something one of my favorite authors Kurt Vonnegut said "The highest treason in the USA is to say Americans are not loved, no matter where they are, no matter what they are doing there." So I guess that would mean that patriotism is making sure Americans are loved everywhere by everyone even if we do drop bombs on their heads. LOLOriginally Posted by [b
Truely I think patriotism is keeping true to the values that your country was founded on. If this means protecting your country from the government then thats what needs to be done. A patriot must be willing to speak out against its government and do what must be done to preserve the values that their country stands for. The most dangerous thing you can have in a democracy is blind patriotism (ie everyone loves americans no matter what we do).
"We're terrible animals. I think that the Earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should." - Kurt Vonnegut
Ehh.. I'm really not a big fan of America. America is not the land of the free. The Dutch are the most free people in the world!
In my opinion, patriotism is just a less adversial word for nationalism. It probably meant something better at one time, but not in my lifetime. The word has been hijacked, like our flag.
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Madness is something rare in individuals — but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule. Friedrich Nietzsche
I was trying to think of a response, and then herenorthere said it perfectly.
Patriotism is being willing to fight for your country when it is right.
Patriotism is being willing to fight your country when it is wrong.
You DO live in Atlanta don’t you? *Are you planing on moving soon?Originally Posted by [b
The Dutch are the freest? *What the *&^% ?
Do you suppose that the United States had anything to do with that? *How many “non-free” Americans died freeing them from Herr Hitler?
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Since we're sharing our thoughts on the value of patriotism, I would qualify it as a meaningless emotional buzzword. *It is ill-defined (as this thread helps to show), making it useless to convey any actual meaning between two people. *It is generally used to stir up emotions and label those with which one disagrees, but with whom one fears a logical debate. *The word itself is an impediment to clear communication
I would agree with herenorthere that it is a emotionally charged synonym for nationality, which by its very definition is the artificial division of groups of people based on arbitrary distinctions. *It is the direct cause of a plethora of conflicts throughout history and the idea serves as nothing more than a detriment to society. *Decisions should be based on situational ethics rather than a blind loyalty to the rights of a specific group of people over all others.
However, if you’re asking for a definition that fits the positive emotions usually associated with the word that is where I would place the quote I posted earlier.