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Thread: Story of how Satan came to be found in the bible?

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    Hi Joossa. Like another posted previously the glimpses into Satan's origins are scattered throughout the bible. A thompson Chain Reference bible or a Strong's concordance can pinpoint places where Satan is mentioned throughout the bible. I'm sorry I presently can't help with your question specifically at this time. I haven't studied his origin in depth. However, that being said, and I do not wish to open any debates presently, the issue of freewill is something I do know of. A man named John Calvin is to this day mostly disliked for his beliefs that he extracted from the bible. However, a study of Calvinism reveals that man "had" freewill in the garden of eden and became slaves to sin in need of the saviour as a result of disobedience to God. Therefore every man since has inherited a sinful nature, that was Satan's plan to divide us from God. Now that people have a sin nature they can not seek God until He calls them and gives them the grace to do so. The reason is found in Satan's lies to Adam and Eve in the garden. Satan told them once they ate from the tree they would have thir eyes open.... in effect now everyone's eyes are shut and ears until God opens them through His word. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Calvinism is rarely taught any longer, it was the primary belief in the protestant reformation. Freewill, also known as Arminianism(named after Jacob Arminius, it's proponent) is taught almost everywhere today). In the song Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin, Satan's Lie of freewill is heard 'Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road your on." But God/Jesus says "today if you still hear his voice do not harden your hearts as your fathers did....today is the day of salvation." If we continue to neglect so great a salvation in Jesus, we are hardening our hearts to the Lord's word and eventually the opportunity to know the Lord will disappear forever. That is known as the sin unto death. Only God can change our sinful hearts at anytime. Man can choose nothing until God intervenes and through God's grace He Elects(chooses) that man. This doctrine(teaching) I am referring to is known as "unconditional election." Look into Calvinism and the protestant reformation and all of that history then and compare it with modern teachings and you will see why Calvinism is so despised. It is not easy to swallow that God chooses who He wishes to be saved, etc.al. Again, I do not wish to debate anyone on these issues I am simply hoping you might research this history yourself and come to your own conclusions. I personally believe in God's absolute sovereignty, which the systematic doctrines of Calvinism absolutely illustrate with the word of God as the proof text. I hope I have been of help. May we all be counted worthy when Jesus returns.

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    "If we continue to neglect so great a salvation in Jesus, we are hardening our hearts to the Lord's word and eventually the opportunity to know the Lord will disappear forever"

    Hmmm... I learned that it's never ever too late. Only if you die.


    I could live a life of sin and parties then repent on my deathbed and as long as i'm sincere I could go to heaven. You never lose your chance until you die (that's if you are capable of understanding and have heard the truth)

    Just my thoughts.

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    The sin unto death is complete and utter apostasy. Living how you want and then trying to repent is not sincere it shows no fear of God to assume you can be sincere near death. What you are referring to is known as "Easy Believism" and is pressumptious about God's grace. True repentance occurs when we sorry to that point because God has spoken to us through his word. It is not something we decide in the future. The only way to sincerely repent is when He has chosen to speak to us through His word, at that time, we are enabled to repent. We cannot make one hair white or black. God saves. He is a sovereign God, absolutely. His plan has always been to show His love through His son's redemptive death and resurrection. The book of Romans speaks to everything I have said. I am done God bless you all, even you JLAP

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    I think you misunderstood what I meant. If you repent on your deathbed and are sincerely repentant, I don't think it matters. I don't see why you can't "hear the word of God" sincerely on your deathbed. In fact it makes a lot of sense that many people would. another example is that someone would believe in god their entire life but ignore it. you know, in the back of their mind, then finally accept him on their deathbed.

    It would suck to believe you are saved and believe god as saved you, then die and go to hell. We just have different beliefs (hypothetical in my circumstance) and that's totally cool too.


    Bless you, too.

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    JLAP, you're right, but you could miss out on a whole lot of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]He can do ANYTHING you can imagine. For some reason he doesn't though. I suppose you could say the absence of evidence is no the evidence of absence.
    hehe, you could say that about anybody on this planet. for real.
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    I can't do anything, can you?

    EDIT: lmao, I guess that sounds bad lol. You know what I mean lol

    I guess it depends on what you consider missing out on. Partying or Church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ Dec. 03 2006,9:16)]I think you misunderstood what I meant. If you repent on your deathbed and are sincerely repentant, I don't think it matters. I don't see why you can't "hear the word of God" sincerely on your deathbed. In fact it makes a lot of sense that many people would. another example is that someone would believe in god their entire life but ignore it. you know, in the back of their mind, then finally accept him on their deathbed.

    It would suck to believe you are saved and believe god as saved you, then die and go to hell. We just have different beliefs (hypothetical in my circumstance) and that's totally cool too.


    Bless you, too.
    Yeah, the debate of when and how one knows he/she has received salvation or not is fraught with options. I've seen people claim that you have to speak in tongues (another language) or that Salvation doesn't happen until you are baptized. I tend to think that:
    A) no one outside yourself and God can truly know if you are saved or not.
    B) The best way to see if someone has repented and received salvation is by their actions.
    C) I don't know when and how Salvation first begins apart from accepting (which is different than just belief IMO) the core aspect of the Gospel.

    JLAP I really have to say that I admire your respect of others, and honest questions/options in these sorts of discussions. I've seen some people get really nasty about these sorts of things before.
    -Doug

    The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it&#33 but 'That's funny ...'
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    I agree with A B and C.

    Well thank you! I'm totally fine with christians as long as they don't shove it down your throat, and I try not to preach atheism/agnostisism.

    I can get nasty when fundamental christians like to go into a political discussion and tell me basically i'm going to hell because I'm gay and how desgusting it is and what an abomination it is. It's fine if they wan't to believe it but they forget that people have feelings and are willing to bite back. Sometimes it's best to keep your opinions to yourself, especially on a forum that leans towards liberalism/moderacy.

    Christians like you and Rubra I like a lot, it's a couple others (and If you saw the other thread you know who i'm talking about) that i'm not so fond of.

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