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    if trans fat is infact a poison than the current laws should handle it..........you dont need a whole new specific law to deal with it. your just adding red tape to an already f-ed up process which is only going to screw things up worse.......mass boycotting of buisnesses that use it will get quicker results and do more good................
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ Dec. 08 2006,7:14)]if trans fat is infact a poison than the current laws should handle it..........you dont need a whole new specific law to deal with it. your just adding red tape to an already f-ed up process which is only going to screw things up worse.......mass boycotting of buisnesses that use it will get quicker results and do more good................
    It would be fine by me for the current laws to handle it.

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    I quoted HOW transfats are like arsnic in the way they work and the way the affect the body. Why is it not covered under the same law? Heck, I dunno. Covered under that law.... A new law... Whatever works.
    Here is the quote from my previous post:
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    Quote[/b] ]Quote (JustLikeAPill @ Dec. 06 2006,6:23)
    Arsenic and Trans fat are not the same.. You're comparing Nightshade to frenchfries.

    Oh and this....

    ... trans fats are poisons, just like arsenic or cyanide. They interfere with the metabolic processes of life by taking the place of a natural substance that performs a critical function. And that is the definition of a poison. Your body has no defense against them, because they never even existed in our two billion years of evolution -- so we've never had the need or the opportunity to evolve a defense against them.
    Edit: Maybe we just need to wait for us to evolve against them. If nothing is going to be done. By then it may be too late. But oh well, it's our fault for asking for a better food substitute. (?)



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    Why do we need to make substitutes and artificial foods? Things are organic for a reason aren't they? Aren't all the "good" drugs found in the rain forest's? I don't think they find trans fat in trees or shrubs..

    Alas I still eat the food its pretty good.

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    If trans fats are banned or if they're taxed to eliminate their few pennies of cost advantage, then manufacturers will replace them with less risky ingredients. Costing society almost nothing while improving health. That's a perfectly appropriate thing for government to do. And far more likely to work than any hoped for coordinated action by millions of individuals whose knowledge about food choices comes from advertising. Government tells people they can't drill their well in the middle of their septic system and won't let them give their babies bourbon. Yes, it's a heinous trampling of individual rights, but it's better than any alternative.
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    There are ALL KINDS of food regulations, and this is just another one. It's not like they're breaking new Constitutional ground here.

    It's unreasonable to think that people are able to know all about every ingredient in every food. Suppose you buy a food item, and on the label is "dichromium sulfide" (I made that up). Is that safe to give your kids? Who knows? That's why we have an FDA, to regulate the foods that are put into the open market so that consumers can have some confidence that they aren't being poisoned. Turns out trans-fats ARE poison, and worse, the only reason to use them is that it's cheaper for food manufacturers. It's not like they're banning anything that people are clamoring for - in fact, most people have no idea what trans fats are or how dangerous they are. We're not talking about just "fat" here, but a man-made fatty product for which the body is essentially unprepared. And it's in your dinner tonight! Maybe! You don't know, since ingredient lists and nutrition labels are not offered at most restaurants.

    Personally, I'd like to be able to go to a restaurant, and not demand ingredient lists and nutrition labels on every item to make sure I'm not being poisoned.

    I'm a social libertarian, but you have to balance public safety against personal choice, and in this case I'm not sure who wants trans-fats, except food manufacturers looking to save a few pennies. They're just a menace, and one for which there are abundant, safe alternatives. It doesn't have to be healthy, but your dinner shouldn't be poison!

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    i just find it funny.........we went to vegitable oils and trans fatty acids and all that crap because butter and lard were bad.......now we are going the other way............if yah want to fry something do it in butter or lard, they aint good for yah but they are better than the alternative that we told yah to switch to X number of years ago. government intervention is rarely a good thing........the FDA approved the trans-fats in the begining didnt they?

    kinda along the same lines of my hunting thread.......the ppl crying over me killing a deer to eat are the same ones who are worried about hormones in their beef or mad cow disease............safe meat and cheap meat arent terribly compatible, especially if you dont want to do the work yourself.
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    Trial and error. What about the freon in your home and car AC? R-12 known to deminish our ozone. and is now illegal to be made and you must be licensed to deal with it. the new R-134 stuff.. is it better? Nobody knows. They're still working on that. If it turns out it is worse than R-12 we should stick with R-134 because we made them go to it? No, they'd come up with something new to try... OR go back to R-12. Same here. It didn't work. Make something new. Or go back to the old stuff. At least our bodies know what to do with that old stuff.



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