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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]The New York City Board of Health voted unanimously yesterday to move forward with plans to prohibit the city’s 20,000 restaurants from serving food that contains more than a minute amount of artificial trans fats, the chemically modified ingredients considered by doctors and nutritionists to increase the risk of heart disease.

    The board, which is authorized to adopt the plan without the consent of any other agency, did not take that step yesterday, but it set in motion a period for written public comments, leading up a public hearing on Oct. 30 and a final vote in December.

    Yesterday’s initiative appeared to ensure that the city would eventually take some formal action against artificial trans fats. If approved, the proposal voted on yesterday by the Board of Health would make New York the first large city in the country to strictly limit such fats in restaurants. Chicago is considering a similar prohibition affecting restaurants with less than $20 million in annual sales.

    The New York prohibition would affect the city’s entire restaurant industry, by far the nation’s largest, from McDonald’s to fashionable bistros to street corner takeouts across the five boroughs.

    The city would set a limit of a half-gram of artificial trans fats per serving of any menu item, sharply reducing most customers’ intake. The fats are commonly found in baked goods, like doughnuts and cakes, as well as breads and salad dressing
    Article here. So what do you guys think?
    Enacting legeslation for proactive public health? Or massive civil liberties breach?
    that makes no logic

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    I think it's BS! If people want to kill themselves with food or want to serve food with TF, then let them!

    I think this is I think this is unconstitutional.

    Are their hearts in the right place? Yes. Is this right? No. this is not second hand smoke. There's no such thing as second hand trans fat... It can't hurt you if you don't shove it in your pie-hole...

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    I prefer taxing trans fats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (herenorthere @ Dec. 05 2006,9:14)]I prefer taxing trans fats.
    I think this idea certainly has promise.

    While I am on the fence on the NYC ban I do believe there is something unsettling about banning transfats; however, I am not necessarily against it.

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    "You can't look after yourself and make your own choices, so lucky for you we're here to think for you! Aren't you happy? No? Screw you!"

    That's the way I see it. What's next? Telling people what to eat all together?

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    Democracy dies......

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    Out of curiosity, I have a question.

    What if it was found that these restaurants had arsenic in their food? Not a lot, but enough to do serious damage over time for some people. Don't ask me how the arsenic got there or why it's only these restaurants... it's just a thought experiment.

    Which of these scenarios would you prefer:

    1) The city enacts a law that says these restaurants can only have a certain level of arsenic in their food (enough to do exactly as much damage as half a gram of trans fat, whatever that amount may be).

    2) The city makes it illegal for food to contain any amount of arsenic, because it's commonly recognized as a poison.

    3) The city puts no limit on how much arsenic restaurant food can contain and leaves it up to the discretion of the customers whether they eat it or not.

    4) The city forces each restaurant to at least list the exact arsenic content of each dish in their menus, but otherwise no restrictions are created.

    Note that currently most if not all of these restaurants lack any sort of warning or signage that their foods contain arsenic. The word on the street is that all this restaurant food has it to some extent, but no one really knows for sure how much is in each dish or how much is in the average dish of each restaurant.

    I'm just curious if anyone will respond differently to arsenic than they do to trans fats. We're talking about the same amount of damage to the body. Are trans fats better because we associate them more with food? Because we're used to having them in our food? Because arsenic has more of a stigma? Would it be different if arsenic had a good taste to it?

    And if you think the arsenic should be completely allowed, why? Why shouldn't we be protected from poisons? They're removed from your tap water for you. Should levels of arsenic and other poisons known to be dangerous in the long term be allowed in tap water? Should we be upset that the government is deciding what kind of water we're allowed to drink? Are EPA standards a violation of civil liberties?

    What makes one thing a poison and another thing a personal choice when they do the same amount of harm?

    Just wondering what kinds of responses this'll get.

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