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    That its primitive has nothing to do with it. invasive species made it decline, yes.

    Oh you are arguing that a new predator would have destroyed them anyways. Why 200,000 years? They have lasted this long already for millions. You could say that for any timescale.

    "ripe" wow. lets see. That argument holds no water because those invasive species couldnt get there, so there was no problem at all.

    More endangered.... im not talking abut whats more threatening im saying that it is a threat. You are more likely to die in a car crash than a terrorist attack, but that doesnít mean terrorists are threatening.

    We have been doomed to extinction since our ancestors left the trees. so have crocodiles, birds ,every thin. You dont seem to understand that isolated areas from competition can stay that way, until we come along. Australia is apparently doomed to lose most of its marsupials. the only way it has that many is that few placental have reached its shores. so that means, by your argument, that they are bound to be wiped out sometime in the far future.


    YOU donít know weather or not a species will be wiped out by what 100 or 1000 years from know. Unless you have some future-seeing ability, you will be wrong as often as you will be right because life is more complicated than that. So youí donít have the right to say that would be gone anyways because you donít know that.


    As for experts seeing inly 150 years into the past. Lets look at paleoclimatology. I will refer to the climatic data from the past 2000 years first
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    Quote[/b] ]Beginning in the 1970's, paleoclimatologists began constructing a blueprint of how the Earth's temperature changed over the centuries before 1850 and the widespread use of thermometers. Out of this emerged a view of the past climate based on limited data from tree rings, historical documents, sediments and other proxy data sources. Today, many more paleoclimate records are available from around the world, providing a much improved view of past changes in the Earth's temperature.

    Over the last decade, there has been a major breakthrough in our understanding of global temperature change over the last 1000 years. Several different but important studies, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, revolutionized what we know about the 20th century in the context of past centuries. The research of the late 1990s formed the foundation for a progression of studies that followed, incorporating advances in statistical techniques and information from a broad range of proxy data types
    [IMG]Most striking is the fact that each record reveals a steep increase in the rate or spatial extent of warming since the mid-19th to early 20th centuries. When compared to the most recent decades of the instrumental record, they indicate the temperatures of the most recent decades are the warmest in the entire record. In addition, warmer than average temperatures are more widespread over the Northern Hemisphere in the 20th century than in any previous time.

    The similarity of characteristics among the different paleoclimatic reconstructions provides confidence in the following important conclusions:
    Dramatic warming has occurred since the 19th century.
    The recent record warm temperatures in the last 15 years are indeed the warmest temperatures the Earth has seen in at least the last 1000 years, and possibly in the last 2000 years.
    Gleaned from the NOAA itself http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...paleolast.html
    That is the past 2000 years in temperature. The data speaks for itself.
    that makes no logic

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    One species that is currently at risk of extiction directly caused by global warming is polar bears. If the ice caps melt they have lost their habitat.

    This really distresses me. If the polar bears are gone, whose going to slide around on icebergs and drink coke at Christmas?


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    a quick glance of those charts shows they dont agree with each other but all show one thing.................we were warming up BEFORE we started throwing greenhouse gases into the air in any major way. also none of them take into account that we are STILL COMING OUT OF A MAJOR ICE AGE PERIOD if not still in one. of course temps are rising!!!
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    didnt you see the pics of the polar bear/grizzly hybrid shot last year Ozzy? i think they have found away to beat extinction......they are having affairs with the gizzlys...........and who said animals were stupid
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    see below post
    that makes no logic

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    Let me elaborate, actually. The last interglacial period actually was shorter than this one. So the argument that we are still coming out of it is suspect, because it took much shorter for the last one to "come out of it" and then go back in again. Yes, i see what you mean by the rise, but the sharpest correlates to the industrial revolution
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    so what explains the spike at about 1000? we are not out of the ice age yet, heck places in Britain still havent responded completly to the relief of several miles of ice no longer being on them. they are still rising a bit every year. and how can you say we are completly out of it? where is your data to support that or more accuratly the ability to see into the future that you asked me about earlier? your only looking at 2000 years or less worth of data, in the scheme of things we are talking about that is not enough to be meaningful. you have to be looking at the scale of tens of thousands of years and even them you only see that we are coming out of an ice age. nothing more. sure dont have any info on temp spikes for that period. heck in that time frame there was not really a sahara desert, it was lush grasslands, its only been a major desert for the last few thousand years. looking back 2000 years is not looking back far enough to guage this, not only that if we are infact out of the ice age completely we have to look back PAST the last one and compare our temps to then and we simply CANNOT do that.
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    See above post, i recently changed it. Like i said before, the last interglacial period actually was shorter than this one. So the argument that we are still coming out of it is suspect, because it took much shorter for the last one to "come out of it" and then go back in again. Is the past 2000 years not far enough? Ok cool, i have a chart for the past 150,000. i just have to find it...
    that makes no logic

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