Finch
Whats it to ya?
That its primitive has nothing to do with it. invasive species made it decline, yes.
Oh you are arguing that a new predator would have destroyed them anyways. Why 200,000 years? They have lasted this long already for millions. You could say that for any timescale.
"ripe" wow. lets see. That argument holds no water because those invasive species couldnt get there, so there was no problem at all.
More endangered.... im not talking abut whats more threatening im saying that it is a threat. You are more likely to die in a car crash than a terrorist attack, but that doesn’t mean terrorists are threatening.
We have been doomed to extinction since our ancestors left the trees. so have crocodiles, birds ,every thin. You dont seem to understand that isolated areas from competition can stay that way, until we come along. Australia is apparently doomed to lose most of its marsupials. the only way it has that many is that few placental have reached its shores. so that means, by your argument, that they are bound to be wiped out sometime in the far future.
YOU don’t know weather or not a species will be wiped out by what 100 or 1000 years from know. Unless you have some future-seeing ability, you will be wrong as often as you will be right because life is more complicated than that. So you’ don’t have the right to say that would be gone anyways because you don’t know that.
As for experts seeing inly 150 years into the past. Lets look at paleoclimatology. I will refer to the climatic data from the past 2000 years first
Oh you are arguing that a new predator would have destroyed them anyways. Why 200,000 years? They have lasted this long already for millions. You could say that for any timescale.
"ripe" wow. lets see. That argument holds no water because those invasive species couldnt get there, so there was no problem at all.
More endangered.... im not talking abut whats more threatening im saying that it is a threat. You are more likely to die in a car crash than a terrorist attack, but that doesn’t mean terrorists are threatening.
We have been doomed to extinction since our ancestors left the trees. so have crocodiles, birds ,every thin. You dont seem to understand that isolated areas from competition can stay that way, until we come along. Australia is apparently doomed to lose most of its marsupials. the only way it has that many is that few placental have reached its shores. so that means, by your argument, that they are bound to be wiped out sometime in the far future.
YOU don’t know weather or not a species will be wiped out by what 100 or 1000 years from know. Unless you have some future-seeing ability, you will be wrong as often as you will be right because life is more complicated than that. So you’ don’t have the right to say that would be gone anyways because you don’t know that.
As for experts seeing inly 150 years into the past. Lets look at paleoclimatology. I will refer to the climatic data from the past 2000 years first
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Beginning in the 1970's, paleoclimatologists began constructing a blueprint of how the Earth's temperature changed over the centuries before 1850 and the widespread use of thermometers. Out of this emerged a view of the past climate based on limited data from tree rings, historical documents, sediments and other proxy data sources. Today, many more paleoclimate records are available from around the world, providing a much improved view of past changes in the Earth's temperature.
Over the last decade, there has been a major breakthrough in our understanding of global temperature change over the last 1000 years. Several different but important studies, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, revolutionized what we know about the 20th century in the context of past centuries. The research of the late 1990s formed the foundation for a progression of studies that followed, incorporating advances in statistical techniques and information from a broad range of proxy data types
Most striking is the fact that each record reveals a steep increase in the rate or spatial extent of warming since the mid-19th to early 20th centuries. When compared to the most recent decades of the instrumental record, they indicate the temperatures of the most recent decades are the warmest in the entire record. In addition, warmer than average temperatures are more widespread over the Northern Hemisphere in the 20th century than in any previous time.
The similarity of characteristics among the different paleoclimatic reconstructions provides confidence in the following important conclusions:
Dramatic warming has occurred since the 19th century.
The recent record warm temperatures in the last 15 years are indeed the warmest temperatures the Earth has seen in at least the last 1000 years, and possibly in the last 2000 years.
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Gleaned from the NOAA itself [url="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html"]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html[/url]
That is the past 2000 years in temperature. The data speaks for itself.
