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Thread: Cocaine, Meth and Chronic, oh my!

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    I think smoking is more.......how can i say...."frightening" that having a beer/mixed drink. Oh top of that, sure you can loose your liver to alcohol but thats if you're an addict, to MJ cannot you loose your ability to breathe and think (braincells?) Someone needs to do a gooooood long study on MJ and tell people the truth, rather than the dogmatic and narrow minded view of the FDA/USGOV.

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    Therein lies the problem. Of the study comes up more one-sided, the other side will discredit it as being narrow-minded, however the study will turn out because both sides are like that
    that makes no logic

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    It's hard to find someone without an agenda, and if you did fine a group and they did do a legit study, a lot of people still wouldn't listen.

    Sizzigh.

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    The problem with extracts is that they take something in nature that is already powerful and they make it a LOT more potent than it should be.

    And until you live across the street from a crack head, you really can't understand the effect hes had on the neighborhood. We've called the cops dozen of times on people hanging around outside his house waiting to get some crack.

    I do have a right to complain about him.

    He knocks on my house asking for 5 bucks so he can "pick his friend up from the airport". Keep in mind that its past 12:00 A.M.

    I was over at my neighbors awhile back and he knocks on the door asking my friend for a ride to the bus station because hes got to be at work by 12 midnight. It was already past 2:30 A.M. and the previous week his friend was giving him a lift when they were conviently held at gun point and the car was stolen. You can't tell me he didn't have anything to do with it.

    They have found stolen goods from break ins inside his room on a number of occasions and thankfully he is finally going to go to court this month for his most recent sprees. However because some dumb **** technicalities his felony charge was dropped to a misdemeanor because even though the amount stolen from the break in was enough to charge him with a felony, he was able to sell enough of it to only be caught with a misdemeanor amount.

    I can keep going on, but it'll just be wasting my time.

    I can't beleive you or anyone else would want an addictive poison to be readily available. Those drugs do ruin people's lives, you can't convince me otherwise. The crack *****s wandering the streets every night aren't selling themselves because they like it.

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    If it was acredited and backed up by authorized and authetic TRUE scientific data and studies then you could sell it easily to the public, because it would be TRUE! If they did this and said MJ was harmless, u bet ur bottom i would try it.

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    I'm not trying to convince you of anything or convert you to the dark side lol. Debates like these in a place like this aren't about convincing people, they are fun and make you think and i'm having a wonderfull time listening and considering all of your viewpoints.


    Once again i'll say it. Anything is a "poison" if taken in X amount. You need to educate yourself on this matter and stop calling things poisons or toxic when taken at normal doses are not. Can the drugs contain toxic impurities? Sure. Are they themselves inherently toxic? No...

    Now you have your terminology mixed up. When someone makes an extract, they are not making the drug already found there more potent. They are simply extracting and condensing it. It's still the same drug. When they alter that drug, then that's different. Freebase drugs (cocaine, DMT, etc... hey that rhymes!) Are literally freed from their base molecule and can be assimilated into the body in a different, often faster and stronger way. By this logic, 250 Ug of mescaline is bad if it's in it's crystalline structure, but if it's in a cactus then it's ok. What? Same drug, same amount.


    I totally agree. They can and do ruin people's lives. BUT, and call me optimistic, those people can stay sober if they try hard enough and follow a rehab plan etc etc. Maybe instead of hating/showing ill-will toward them, you should show some compassion? They are in a bad situation and need a helping hand. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but what I get from you saying that is that they ruin everyone's life that tries them. That's what it sounds like you're saying to me. I've tried crack before. Didn't ruin my life. I have no interest in trying it again. Just wasn't my thing.

    And don't be so hostile. No reason for it. Do you have a personal issue with a family member or something to cause this (atleast perceived) hostility? If I was out of line by asking, my appologies.


    You're right. I won't know unless I have a crackhead neighbor. BUT I do have an Ice-head brother that I havn't spoken to in 6 years. Does that count?

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    It wasn't supposed to seem hostile, so please don't take it that way. I just find your opinion on the subject to immature and naive, no offense, just the only words that can describe it. I don't think of you as a bad person for it though.

    My issue is with the addictive drugs that I've mentioned before. They are addictive poison. Whats the "normal dose" for meth/crack/heroin? These are extremely dangerous drugs and theres no way to responsibly use them. They damage your body and mind.

    And I wasn't saying that it always ruins peoples lives but that fact that it does and the fact that its horribly addictive and damaging is why no one should touch it in the first place and why it needs to NEVER be legal.

    Now you have your terminology mixed up. When someone makes an extract, they are not making the drug already found there more potent. They are simply extracting and condensing it.
    By condensing it, it becomes dangerous. Something that would normally be hard to overdose on becomes one misjudgment away from causing serious damage.

    I don't really want to argue about the non addictive extracts, I just see no need to take them out of their original form for consumption because that makes abuse and misuse (or uneducated use if you'd like) easy.

    You're right. I won't know unless I have a crackhead neighbor. BUT I do have an Ice-head brother that I havn't spoken to in 6 years. Does that count?
    Only if he hangs around the neighborhood like a plague.


    They should have an unbiased, scientific study of marijuana, I do agree on that.

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    Ok, you're welcome to think that about my opinion

    Doses depend on which drug you'll be taking. For me, my average dose was about 250 mg's. Give or take 10-20 or so, of methamphetamine. I didn't do it THAT often. On my daily use I used about 120-150 mg's of amphetamine/sometimes methylphenidate. (Disclaimer, don't break the law kids OR adults!)


    Lol, I'm not trying to argue lol. Just an exchange of opinions. Extracts (in this example entheogens) just makes things easier. It's like... you COULD chew on a pound of willow bark if you have a headache, or you can take an Aspirin.

    My brother doesn't want anything to do with us. He's alienated himself from us. In his paranoia, he mistook my mothers "So whatcha been up to?" as an interrogation. Told her to get the F out of his life. I hope he's happy living in a trailer with his wifes parents and their kid. Have fun with that. He left our lifestyle for his and his need to feed and that's his problem. He could have gotten help but whatever. I personally hope I never see him again, but my mother is sad about it. Even though he beat the crap out of her in a state of phychosis. I was too young to remember that, however.

    After all that and the first hand carnage of drug abuse through family and friends, my opinion isn't affected.

    Oh, EDIT: I should add that he's my half brother. Interestingly enough, his dad from my mothers first marriage was a crack head What a sordid family history I have!

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