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    Man, how did a topic about dumb marketing schemes turn into a 10+ page debate??

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    Ten pages? lol I see 3. Oh Yeah I set my preferences to 40 posts per page.

    Ehh, i'm the creator and I say every one's still on topic lol

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    ol, I'm not trying to argue lol. Just an exchange of opinions. Extracts (in this example entheogens) just makes things easier. It's like... you COULD chew on a pound of willow bark if you have a headache, or you can take an Aspirin.
    True. I could chew monkshood leaves, but an extract will kill me so much faster
    that makes no logic

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    What does that have to do with anything? Last time I checked, Aconitum wasn't an entheogen. Wolfsbane was used back in the middle ages for flying ointments and that's it. Aconitum contains no recreational drugs to speak of. Even plants like Datura and and brugmansia and Belladonna, while dangerous, have been used (even in modern times) "recreationally". Dangerous, yes, but if taken at a known dosage (this is what makes it a bad idea. Doses vary wildly between plant and even leaves on the same plant) can be done safely. They contain Anticholergenics (sp?) and this is what produces the "desireable" side effects.

    Don't do it though, anyone. You really could kill yourself. It's not fun at all, anyway.

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    That has to do with the fact that more of a bad thing is still a bad thing

    As for Aconitum, it is one of the most potent nerve poisons in the plant kningdom.
    For those hardcore drugs, its like taking Aconitum, but feeling good while doing it. Its bad for you and does no good. Period
    that makes no logic

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    Datura has been used in the past for asthma treatment I've heard.

    Did not know that Brugmansia was used for "recreational" festivities. I should go into selling that!

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    They both contain Atropine and Scopalomine.


    Brugmansia is a quick way to kill yourself because the there's no way to know the dose. All you can do is make an educated guess. It ended me up strapped to a hospital bed and when I was coherent i was off to rehab for phychological observation.

    I was told I tried to bite a nurse before I got my MRI. Don't remember anything. I was like a wild animal.



    "Aconitum, it is one of the most potent nerve poisons in the plant kningdom.
    For those hardcore drugs, its like taking Aconitum, but feeling good while doing it. Its bad for you and does no good. Period"

    No.... it's not the same thing. Period. If it did you no good, why do we use amphetamines and opiates as medicine?

    Aconitum and heroin/meth are not the same thing dude. If you have a quarter gram of meth and a quarter gram of whatever the nerve agent in Aconitum is, which will kill you? Not meth.

    I believe the LD-50 level of coke is a whopping TEN grams for the average person. What about the active alkaloid in Aconitum?

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    good point JLAP, but what I think he's saying is that it's still bad for your health, and that some drugs have been known to cause real problems( like people trying to get money for drugs.......the wrong way).

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