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    OMG! LOL! Coke came out of my nose!

    Hehehe... coke came out of my nose hehe

    Lmao, that was so funny man lol.

    Just be nice guys. This must be my longest thread ever and I don't want it locked lol.

    As far as Josh (or me... or many people) not providing cites, This is a little discussion on a CP board. This isn't a scientific paper or congress.

    For the record I always listen to Josh. I think his opinion is valuable and valid (even without cites, which I never expect from people in a place like this. Unless the convo is about the bible or something.)

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    In a nation where so many kids have absentee (or worse parents) or are stranded in suburbia looking for something to do, readily-accessible drugs make it too easy to screw their lives up. Not counting the fall-out of the War on Drugs that puts so many people in jail for petty marijuana busts. But counting the people who should be growing and learning but instead use drugs for recreation or to cope or to get up or whatever.

    People will say drugs are harmless, but anything that can make a 1/2 hour guitar solo seem like a good idea has to be bad. It just has to be and no further studies are needed. Forget Reefer Madness; you ever find yourself stranded at a party listening to one Dead show tape after another?

    Our resident libertarians might chime in that guvmint has no business meddling in such affairs, but it does. Those kids are the ones we'll be relying on to do everything in the future, from working to serving in the military to taking care of all us soon-to-be-doddering old people. It is absolutely in the nation's interest to have them grow up with as little access to drugs as possible.

    If someone has the initiative to grow his own marijuana or to walk through a field collecting magic mushrooms off of cow poops, I wouldn't stop him. I usually go gender neutral on the pronouns, by the way, but I've never yet met a her who grew or collected her own. But if people are buying or selling, I say bust them. Not with our insane War on Drugs sentencing, but with fines and community service.
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    Finch Stop hating over the comments I made in your precious global warming thread. I stated those to be opinions. This stuff I either have personal experience with or have read it someplace.
    My global warming thread? What does that have to do with this thead?

    What i am trying to get is the facts you have read somewhere because i like learning and naturally would be very interested in the material you have read. I do not believe that you are giving wrong information, but it is difficult for me to grasp why you cant show me the stuff you have read to find this information. Its not a study i was hoping for, its the stuff you read. I wanted to see that because I hoped it had a more thorough wealth of information on the subject than what i have, and frankly it would be the thing that would swing my opinion in favor of it, that’s why i ask. If your teaching me something, i like links so i can read further and maybe further my knowledge about the subject. That is why i keep after you about it because its not that I doubt your validity, its that I am interested in what you have to say and that I wonder what you know that I don’t. It’s the chance to read further that I want. It lends weight to say, hey, that’s where he got it, so its gotta be correct and not doubtable. But when you cant provide this, you deprive people of the opportunity to see the same things you have.

    When you say
    Most people who commit crimes and have MJ in there system ALSO have acohol or cocane in there system.
    that would be a really big blow to all te arguments against mj, and I wanted to see where it came from to see if they have any more interesting statistics like that, because it had to come from somewhere, right? No big scientific study, just the, erm, facts
    that makes no logic

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    Well Finch, I apologize. I miss-understood the tones of your statements. It wasn't so much as to what you said, but the way it was presented that ruffled my feathers.
    Perhaps we would listen to you if you actually gave supporting data for yout wild claims for once.
    This comment mainly.

    The truth is I don't remember the sources. It comes from talking with friends about the subject, personal experience and past studies of the issue. When I do come across something new that is interesting and I remember to save the link I do. That is where the wiki things came in. I have not done any recent research till last night, and I wasn't searching for much. Just the scheduling stuff.

    Next time if you are seriously asking for more info because your curious then just say you are curious and want to know more about it. I was put on the defensive with the accusatory tone in your writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herenorthere View Post
    If someone has the initiative to grow his own marijuana or to walk through a field collecting magic mushrooms off of cow poops, I wouldn't stop him. I usually go gender neutral on the pronouns, by the way, but I've never yet met a her who grew or collected her own.
    Lol, my friend Sierra does lol

    As far as our kids being the future.. hell even the president was a cokehead and got in a drunk driving crash.

    Oh wait....Yes now I can see your point lol.

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    No, im sorry. Its not that i dont like you, i think your fine, i just get ruffled sometimes... more so lately for reasons i cannot guess. Im not gonna lie-you ruffle me more than most, but its not your fault. Its mine. Your right on that comment, it was uncalled for.

    Its ok if you dont have information for this- your not being graded on it. I have been working with science references closely lately so i guess i had come to expect it. It... it just opened a whole new style of doing things that i have found i liked. Its hard to remember sometimes that it is not always like that.
    The way i see it, references do not give validity, they just add extra weight, and I have come to rely upon it. There is no way you could have known that, as no one is a mind reader. I admit to having difficulty articulating what I want sometimes. Its not that im not listening. IMO, you give very well-written responses normally, and your opinion is always welcome in my book, even though I do not agree with it sometimes.

    Oh and all in all, I have sofened my stance on MJ a little, in part because of everyones arguments. I dont think its a great idea, but it wont be the end of the world if it is legalized. When everyone says its on the path to becoming legal, i say that medicinally, prehaps, but recreationaly it still has a long way to go.
    that makes no logic

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    YAY! I'm glad we softened you up (even if it was just a little )


    Ehh, aren't they thinking about making Viagra OTC (in a weaker dose however)? It's just a matter of time IMO. Unless people screw that up too and start mixing it with poppers. Stupid people...

    You can't stop progress. That's why it's called... Progress! lol

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    Well, Finch we are cool. I kinda figured I ruffled you a little. I admit to getting ruffled sometimes myself. We do have different opinions and that is fine. It would suck if everyone did the same things and thought the same things. So that is cool.

    Now as far as being legalized for rec use. It is coming. Once the medicinal aspect is brought in full swing and people realize that it is not all bad like the gooberment says it is it will become more accepted. Our friends up in Canada have already realized it and have decriminalized it.

    Someone said he could see letting people grow their own. Heck I could deal with that. I would LOVE to grow my own buddage, but as it stands now I cannot do that legaly. So I am still waiting to go down and get my script for it. LMAO!! Since we all knwo that if we have a script for something it is ok to have and do.
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