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    SirKristoff is a poopiehead Ozzy's Avatar
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    I didn't read all that. And from what I was told by the Jw's, they do have similar beliefs as other Christians. They are Christians. Just as baptist, Mormons, catholics and methodists are all Christians.

    I don't know what type of Christian you are but JW's believe in the trinity, God, Jesus and the holy spirit. Same as most other Christians.
    here are quotes from the site you provided.

    God is the creator and supreme being,

    Jesus is literally the only begotten Son of God

    He is the means through whom to approach God in prayer, and is also the means of salvation

    Their view of sexual behavior reflects conservative Christian views.

    Aid work after large natural disasters is considered an important part of their work. Large sums of donated money are used in the affected areas to rebuild communities and provide aid. The focus of relief efforts is primarily on helping fellow members, while providing assistance to others in need near the area in which they are working. Examples of relief work include that provided to Hutu and Tutsi victims during the Rwandan genocide, as well as to Congo refugees.[76] Witnesses have also had an active share in the relief work of hurricane Katrina in the United States of America.

    I think you will argee with all of that.

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    Wow....

    We seriously have a problem here if you believe Mormons and JW's are denominations of Christianity!

    Reasons why JW's are not Christians:
    http://www.carm.org/jw/cult.htm

    Reasons why Mormons are not Christians:
    http://www.lifeafter.org/Christian_Mormons.asp
    James 1:17

    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

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    I dont think he means it like that. I took it to be that there are more similarity between these religions than most, that they are more related to eachother than with other religions. Not that they are the same, just pointing out similarities. I dont know religion myself so i would not know, but thats where i think he is coming from
    that makes no logic

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    SirKristoff is a poopiehead Ozzy's Avatar
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    In my opinion a Christian is a person that follows the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Here's a website that defines what a Christian is.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_defn3.htm

    Each group has their own definition of "Christian" which agrees with their own beliefs about the nature of Jesus, God, church tradition, written text, evolved theology, etc. There appears to be no way to compromise on a single definition that is acceptable to all.

    Christian any individual or group who devoutly, thoughtfully, seriously, and prayerfully regards themselves to be Christian. Included are: the Roman Catholic church; the Eastern Orthodox churches, conservative, mainline, and liberal Christian faith groups; The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons); Jehovah's Witnesses and a thousand or so other religious organizations that identify themselves as Christian.

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    So it is in how you define it? I see that! So they are the same in that respect? I never knew that
    that makes no logic

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    I think he's saying they aren't Christians because they distort the word of Christ so thoroughly that they don't deserve the title. Anyone can call himself a Christian, but the label means nothing unless the person's beliefs meet certain criteria.

    The disagreement is in the criteria.

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    I was watching TBN the other day because it had some show about Christian celebrities, and there was some D-lister on there and then she said she used to be a JW, and EVERYONE, including her laughed their ***** off! The host had a look like "OMG THAT"S INSANE!"
    I thought that was REALLY un-christian.

    Anyways, I've always considered JW and Mormons to be christians. I mean.. If utah is the promised land then that's cool... When you have low standards it's easy to reach your goal! J/K!

    I've always wondered why religious christians have a problem with polygamy. I mean, didn't LOADS of great bible figures have multiple wives? Personally I don't have a problem with polygamy (Only if a woman can have multiply husbands if a man can have multiple wives). Naturally i'm all for gay polygamy None of that forced marriage doomsday cult crap like over in kansas city, thank you.

    Even if they were/are a cult, so what? They aren't hurting anyone. They are just annoying. They don't make you be JW's, they don't take all your money, they don't keep you from your family.



    Listen up children. Here is a story. Clint and the white supremacist cult.

    In a darker part of my life, I thought I was a drug addict. I was told my NA that I was. So my parents took me to an out-patient rehab program called Insight, created by the Guru Bob Meehan.

    What we found there was people who were so happy I thought it was very abnormal, especially for a rehab facility. When I say happy I mean like they brainwashed that way. All the kids (about 20) hung out in a big room and did nothing but play ping-pong and games, smoke, and drink coffee. Even the counselors smoked and cussed like sailers with us. They gave us cigarettes! That's it, aside from a 15 minute group session. This lastes a 2-3 of hours. You went to this program twice a day, in the afternoon and at night for a longer group session and they had family night. By family night I mean the parents were seperated from the kid. The first "family" night my parents went to, they never met the parents. They were imediately spirited away to be interviewed by a "counselor". The other parents told my mom that it was odd because most new parents have a "deer in the headlights" look, and she didn't. My mom said everything seemed orchestrated.

    I was asked several times If I was jewish.. And I said no but I thought that was weird. They had that matsuhayu whatever his name is rabbi playing and the counselor said 'A rabbi singing reggae! Isn't that WEIRD?!" I also thought it was weird that we were in the city in an upper class part but there were no black people.. hmmm OK. The counselors interviewed me and I noticed 2 of them had the same story about their childhood and what happened. My parents bought Bob meehan's book, and low and behold! the same story was there! Like they were trained that way... They wouldn't take our money and provide treatment like a normal place. There was a 3 day interviewing process. I guess to see if we were white and rich enough.

    Oh, and NONE of the kids were allowed to take any drugs like prozac, ritalin, synthroid, ANYTHING. Some of the kids said they didn't even live with their parents anymore, that they lived with other insight kids. One of the parent's told my mom to just "Turn me loose. You might go weeks at a time without seeing him!" None of these kids went to school, but some were working on their GED. Several offered me rides to their houses, even though they just met me. I said i'd have to ask my rents and they said "Don't worry about it!"

    They mentioned how they all loved hockey and they were going to an insight-sponsored hockey game (All the kids had to pay for themselves). Bob Meehan, turns out, is a giant hockey fan.

    One parent told my dad not to believe what they read on the internet. Hello! Red flag! We looked it up and we found out. Kids wouldn't stop calling and asking for me for a week.

    This website exposes him as a cult leader. It even has an expose from 60 minutes on it. It also has video's of him admitting to rape and preaching rascism to kids. The cult almost tricked me. It looked totally legit (they even had fake liscenses and degrees on the wall!). This guy said the worst things immaginable about gays, blacks, and jews. the last link is good. The first one is dedicated to stopping him by spreading the truth.

    http://www.ontheemmis.com

    Even Urbandictionary has it!
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=bob+meehan

    http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/cu...?oid=oid:68496


    Lol, btw, when I met Clint Stonebraker who ran insight (another name for Pathway, just a different state) I thought he was gay lmao!

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    I guess I have to chime in and defend Jehovah's Witnesses and their doorbell ringing ways.

    When my grandfather was well into his 80s and not getting around much anymore, some Witnesses stopped in a couple times per week with their Watchtowers and whatever their other pamphlet is called. They'd ask how he was doing and talk about what he wanted to talk about and put their religious spin on some of it and quite often he'd get angry with them. But they stayed cool and woulld leave after a while and tell him they'd see him in a few days. At a time when my grandfather didn't have many visitors, they made the time for him, even though it was obvious he wasn't about to become one.

    So I always take the time to talk with Jehovah's Witnesses and, when I get a chance, I tell them why. I talk to any Mormons who show up to, but that's mostly because I've known a few feel like they deserve a friendly chat now and then instead of just getting one door slammed in their face after another.

    As for whether they're Christians or not; Mormons and Witnesses are at least as Christian as the money-grubbing, anti-scientific warmongers who act as if they own a copyright on the the word.
    Bruce in CT

    Madness is something rare in individuals but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule. Friedrich Nietzsche

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