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    First the Seatbelt thing is based on the fact that first emergency personel will respond to the accident costing tax payer money. Second they take the people in an accident to a hospital if they are injured, which is more common if your not wearing your seatbelt. If you dont have insurance who pays the medical bills for you? We all do. So if your not wearing your seatbelt and you dont have insurance you cost us all alot of money. Plus your driving on a public road which gives the gov't the right to regulate you. No one is complaining about needing a licence to drive yet its still the same principal you have to follow all the rules of the road.

    Lightbulbs on the other hand are rediculous. If they really want to get rid of them they should just tax them to make them more expensive and bring in more revinue. Use the extra tax to do enviromental clean up as pollution is the result of more engery production.

    My state (Michigan) is currently proposing a ban on smoking in all public places including restaurants and bars (Look what you started California). I know many states and cities have passed similar laws but I feel this infringes on the rights of the establishments owner to choose if they will have a smoke free building or not. I dont believe its the governments job to regulate that. If people dont want smoking in a restaurant then patronize ones that are smoke free. Let economic push the issue not the law. Dont take away someones freedom let the people decide, and as we all know money talks.

    Bugweed, I agree that the United States is looking alot like Germany before the war. I would say at this point it would be more like early Nazi control of the government. We are slowing loosing out rights, including fundimentals like the right to privace or the writ of habeus corpus. All we lack at this piont is the SS goose stepping through Baghdad and Tehran. We all need to wake up before we loose all our rights and end up in a police state, the exact oposite of what we seem to think our common cultural ideals are.
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    Ktulu you just had a very hypocritical post. Here is why. You are for the seatbelt mandation, but not smoking bans. Hrrmm How many deaths are "linked" to second hand smoke? Granted I choose to go into that bar or restaurant. What if I smoke and my wife didn't smoke and I wanted to go eat someplace that was not smoke free and because my wife loves me agrees to go. Now she is being exposed to second hand smoke because it is a smoking place. Plus it is her right to eat there too ya know. Without having to breath in second hand smoke. You don't agree with the smoking ban for yet you agree with the seatbelt law. Granted I am not for the smoking ban either, but now atleast my wife doesn;t have to breath in the second hand smoke.

    The fact still remains that the cause of a lot of the accidents are folks who do not need a license anyway! So lets fix a symptom and not the problem.

    I also realize that the higher rate of injury due to not wearing a seatbelt could reflect negatively on everyone else's insurance premiums. YET you still are not giving me a reason that is justifiable for the seatbelt law. You are far more likely to kill yourself or get injured riding a motorcycle. Are you going to propose we ban them? My point is there are a lot of things that people do that increase the cost for everyone in one way shape or form. Are you going to ban all those or legislate something for all of those? Those welfare families that keep popping out babies are costing more and more of my tax dollars on a regular basis yet your not complaining we ban them from having more babies!!!! That is not a jab at those who use it as a crutch to get on your feet. That is a jab at those who use it as a means for living without having to better their self. So your going to take away my right to choose not to wear a seatbelt, but your not going to take away the right of a welfare mother from having her umpteenth baby. As I said there are many other things that cost everyone money. If the gooberment starts banning them all then what kind of America would be be?
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    The seat belt point is flat irrelevant. Driving is a privilege NOT a right. You don't want to wear a seat belt? Take the bus. End of story.

    As for the light bulb thing.. Is the law going to be that you may not buy incandescant bulbs? Stores can not market them? Or manufacturers may not produce them? Each option provides a different argument.
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    I completely agree. We should legislate against catholicism. Their rampant breeding is putting a strain on society.

    Seriously though, welfare people who won't stop having kids just piss the hell out of me! OK, it's fine with me if they are on welfare, but come on, why bring another kid into the hell that is your every day life when you can barely (with tax payers help) support the other starving kids while you go to the horse races and buy crack?

    Woah, went out on a tangent there lol. Anyway the point remains that... condoms are good and crack is whack.. yo peace out.


    About light bulbs, I don't see the big deal. Just put it into legislation tax breaks for CF users. Say... 50 cents per bulb you can write off. Incandescents are inefficient and ugly... at the same side we've gone through at least 10 CF's trying to get the damn things to work in our cieling fans in the Lroom. For some reason unknown to me they last a week or two then burn out. I guess because a 29 watt bulb shouldn't go into a 60 watt socket lol. Do you KNOW how big those 60 watt pc's are? It's absurd!


    What's next? Making dandelions illegal so your neighbors don't have to look at them? Oh wait, that's what the HOA is for. They're all appearance nazi's I tell ya.
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    I'm with vft guy in SJ -driving is a privilege NOT a right- thats why it can be given and taken away. You are driving on public roads and putting my wallet at risk every time you get hurt. I mean most young adults that die in accidents in my age group don’t wear seatbelts and it drives the insurance sky-high for me and its not fair. Giving them a choice will only make it worse for me, them, their families, etc. Who exactly wins when you don’t wear a seatbelt? Nobody, that’s who. It does no good.

    As for lightbulbs, fluorescent really provides so much benefit, and people just don’t use it out of habit. This would be a kick in the pants to jumpstart widespread conversion- I don’t know if banning is the right course of action, but something should be done.
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepenthes_ak View Post
    I think You all have a good point but im with Bugweed... this is stupid.. and the seatbelt issue can be compared with smoking, drinking and driving, noodling (in some states), and drug issues.

    All are dangerous, but if done correctly or responsibly then their should be no need for a law.

    Same thing goes for this light bulb thing. I mean seriously do they need to take away what kind of light bulbs we use?

    Thats just stupid. *grrr* government.
    Nep_AK, there is no such thing as "correct or responsibe" driving while under the influence.

    About the light bulbs- I believe as that the government shouldn’t have the power to “force everyone to use CF’s.” I do feel that they have a responsibility to increase awareness of the fact that fluorescents are more efficient, therefore increasing the number of people of with a bit more knowledge of "environment-friendly" energy consumption…
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    Nep_AK, there is no such thing as "correct or responsibe" driving while under the influence.
    Very good point there.
    that makes no logic

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    Yeah I agree. If you aren't wearing a seatbelt or are intoxicated (seatbelt or no) you are irresponsible. This isn't some philosophical paradox, it's a simple fact. There's no right, careful way to drive intoxicated because when you are drunk/high what you think you're doing and what you think is happening and what really is going on are completely different. A car can appear to go 100 MPH or 10 and BAM you're dead.

    Forcing people not to sell trans fat or forcing people to use CF's is a lot like dictatorship IMO. Last time I remember, countries that make all of the decisions and micromanage people's lives don't tend to last very long.

    As far as noodling... lol that's just... lol ok, whatever lol. Have fun with that is all I can say lmao

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