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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_OrchidGuy View Post
    Ktulu you just had a very hypocritical post. Here is why. You are for the seatbelt mandation, but not smoking bans. Hrrmm How many deaths are "linked" to second hand smoke? Granted I choose to go into that bar or restaurant. What if I smoke and my wife didn't smoke and I wanted to go eat someplace that was not smoke free and because my wife loves me agrees to go. Now she is being exposed to second hand smoke because it is a smoking place. Plus it is her right to eat there too ya know. Without having to breath in second hand smoke. You don't agree with the smoking ban for yet you agree with the seatbelt law. Granted I am not for the smoking ban either, but now atleast my wife doesn;t have to breath in the second hand smoke.

    The fact still remains that the cause of a lot of the accidents are folks who do not need a license anyway! So lets fix a symptom and not the problem.

    I also realize that the higher rate of injury due to not wearing a seatbelt could reflect negatively on everyone else's insurance premiums. YET you still are not giving me a reason that is justifiable for the seatbelt law. You are far more likely to kill yourself or get injured riding a motorcycle. Are you going to propose we ban them? My point is there are a lot of things that people do that increase the cost for everyone in one way shape or form. Are you going to ban all those or legislate something for all of those? Those welfare families that keep popping out babies are costing more and more of my tax dollars on a regular basis yet your not complaining we ban them from having more babies!!!! That is not a jab at those who use it as a crutch to get on your feet. That is a jab at those who use it as a means for living without having to better their self. So your going to take away my right to choose not to wear a seatbelt, but your not going to take away the right of a welfare mother from having her umpteenth baby. As I said there are many other things that cost everyone money. If the gooberment starts banning them all then what kind of America would be be?


    I guess you sort of missed my point there. I did put in there but slipped it in at the end of the first paragraph. Its a publicly owned vs. privately owned type of situtation. The seatbelts is a proper step by the government IMO because you drive on publicly owned and maintained roads, so our represenatives (our collective voices in government) have the right to regulate if we need to wear a seatbelt or not on a publicly owned road. Now the smoking ban is regulating a privately owned facility. This is a violation of rights by the government IMO because the establishment is owned by an individual or individuals and they should have sole discretion as to how it is run as long as they dont violate any other laws such as feeding people unsafe foods. Whats next you cant smoke in your house? Although I dont smoke I do not think it should be ban by the gov't. I choose not to go to restaurants that are not smoke free and if everyone did this then the majority of places would be smoke free but a few places would still be there for smokers. As for your wife following you into a smoky bar or restaurant, it was her choice. She chose to follow you in there, she could have said no and not followed you in there, no could have made her, just as no one could have stopped you from smoking if your in a smoking establishment. Again its publicly owned vs. privately owned. I would support a law that would require establishments to post by the door if they were a smoking or non-smoking building so that you could make an informed choice as a consumer, but banning it out right violates the owners right to chose.
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    I saw two potential SD laws, one of wich was to ban smoking in bars and casinos. I think people have a right to smoke in these areas, and it is a traditional area to do so. The other... well i really dont want to go into that topic.
    that makes no logic

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    I do. What's the other place?

    Smoking in bars and casinos go together like redbull and vodka.

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    Well lets see. I basicly stated that driving was a priveledge that is given out all too freely and no one cought on. I still say get rid of the problem and not the symptom. Don;t hand drivers licenses out to of farts who cannot see to drive just because they are renewing their license. Don't go giving the license back to known DUI drivers. Don't go giving a license to a teen who has shown the inability to drive or maturaty to drive safely. Granted it is a public road, but my vehicle is not public. I bought and paid for it. Also you guys fail to see the implications of the whole insurance arguement. pretty soon you folks are going to make it where the cars have sensors in them to detect seatbelt use and speed and all this other jazz and people are going to have no choice in the matter. It is that mentality that is driving this land into the DIRT.

    Bugweed I am alog younger than you, but I can remember the days of being able to go to the creek and swim and explore the creek. You cannot do that today. You would get in trouble for something or have a child predator loose ready to kidnap you. Kids cannot be kids anymore and people cannot drive or do anything without someone else having something to say about it.

    I said it before and I will say it again!!! There are plenty of other things that cause a hurt to peoples wallet, and when you go banning or regulating them all then there is bound to be problems. Micromanaging never works unless your a slave owner working some slaves. SOOO I will continue to drive without my seatbelt unless it is raining.

    endorsing the government to make legislation on anything is a slippery slope, and we just might be coming up to a steep hill. I still have the prediction I will be screaming "I told you so" before I die.
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    Lol, pretty soon? If my mom or dad doesn't have the seatbelt on the car goes beep! beep! beep! beep! until it's on. It's annoying as crap, but it really makes you wear your seatbelt, that's for sure.

    Josh, you REALLY should wear it dude. Even if you are the best driver who's ever existed and ever will, that doesn't mean the person who hits you will be. Why take a chance?

    Lol, I've never been in an innocent world. Once I was almost kidnapped at the park (or so my mother says) and once we were camping and I found a bunch of used.... toiletries lets just say, once I found a needle, there was a sex offender living like a mile away from our old house...

    Lol, Kids these days don't know what it was like to be a kid lol. When we aren't playing video games or doing god-knows-what we are watching TV while are parents live in fear that we will be raped. To this day I can't use IM anymore because I gave my phone number out to a member and my parents freaked and assumed they were a child molester or something lol.

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    I fail to see? Thats pretty strong word right there, especially when you dont say what we fail to see.

    You buy computers but use internet. I fail to see the difference on owning vehicles bit not the system.

    Why people want to severely reduce their chances for surviving a random accident is beyond me. It doesnt make scence. If it did then prehaps there should be a choice, but there is no good reason not to.

    My point is you dont own the roads so you dont have the option of doing what you want on it.

    endorsing the government to make legislation on anything
    The goverment legislates. Thats what it does. Thats how they use their power. How can a goverment exist and not legeslate

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    that makes no logic

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    Ok Finch, what does regulating the use of networks mean? Lol, i'm clueless. Is that like Net Neutrality (The internet is a series of tubes you know...)?

    I've been to two accidents in my life and I was wearing my seatbelt both times They weren't BAD and I probably would have been uninjured anyway but I'm glad I was wearing it anyway.


    We should have an autobahn from the E coast the the W coast. Just drive and drive and drive and drive and it would be awesome as crap man!

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