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    Quote Originally Posted by trashcan View Post
    This is a tough issue for me personally, because I see people on other forums all the time about how "stupid" it is to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle. I guess it is their decision to make, but it saddens me that there are so many people who actually want to do this. I'm also conflicted on whether I'd support a graduated licensing system as well, but at the moment I'm in favor of it.
    As an avid rider I say those people are fools. I have been riding for over 15 years and I have been down twice.. BOTH times my helmet saved my life. Law or not, helmets save lives and refusing to wear one just shows that you have nothing to protect in the first place.

    Edit: One other thing for all the Californians out there... As of Jan. 1 2007 Any passenger in your car with no seatbelt, BOTH the passanger and the driver get a ticket. This is changed from only the passenger getting the ticket.
    There are only 2 infinite things... the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the universe.

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    VFT guy. You are correct that there are people who find ways to abuse things, but the fact of the matter is that they let a few bad apples ruin it for all. Also more than likely there is already a law in place that deals with some of these issues they make new laws for. Then when they make the new law it doesn't get enforced. Take the gun law( I forget the name) for instance. It escapes me exactly what the law was, but it was only applied in two cases the year after it was enacted. They have made soooo many laws that are not enforced it is pathetic, and if you continue making laws and making laws then eventually everything will be manned or restricted. I still agree with Bugweed. Many god folks lost their lives fighting for our freedoms and now we are going the road of Nazi Germany.

    As far as my seatbelt is concerned. I will wear it when I feel the need to. I am not in a super speedway racing at 200 MPH. Seat belts have been shown to kill as well so if the wreck is bad enough either way your going to die. I have been in 4 wrecks 3 of them my fault, and never had a seatbelt on in any of them. Of course the wrecks were not bad, but I still totaled 2 cars.

    If the government wants to tax the more inefficient light bulbs then that is one thing. That is a way to make more revenue and give people a tax break to buy the CF bulbs, but a ban is just stupid. Remember the old saying. "Give them an inch and they take a mile" That is what the government does and will continue to do. Of course people do the same thing.

    I am not for total Anarchy. Some rules are needed, but not the big brother government we are getting slowly but surely.

    Helments I agree with because your not protected by the frame of the car, and if you want to kill yourself then thats on you. I would gladdly wear a brain bucket while riding. Hopefully I will be getting a bike soon!!!!!!
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    People abusing things, so ban them? I saw an earlier post in this thread talking about welfare recipients and their abuses, maybe we should ban welfare?
    Take it from me, I had a welfare momma with 9 kids from different fathers living above me in one of my apts in Brooklyn, she was no victim.
    The more kids, the more $$ from the services. Sad that she abused this and I could go into detail how lousy it was living under them or how filthy they lived but all I'm going to say is if anything, welfare abuse needs to be adressed and banning it would not be the answer.
    You can't let a couple of people who abuse something ruin it for the rest of the honest people out there.
    Bans are just "feel-good legislation"

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    Welfare has already been severely curtailed to eliminate exactly the kind of abuse you are talking about. Unfortunately there is no simple solution to the welfare issue. Banning it completely is not possible, but the laws are constantly being updated to weed out the career welfare people.

    You can't let a couple of people who abuse something ruin it for the rest of the honest people out there.
    Bans are just "feel-good legislation"
    You are wrong with that. If you think back, probably your entire life you have been a victim of this in one way or another.. ever had recess taken away for a whole classroom because a couple kids acted up? Ever been punished along with your siblings because your parents just dont want to deal with any of you for a while? If you are in the military, and someone screws up in boot camp, its likely the whole group gets punished. You are going to see examples of the majority being effected by the few everywhere you look. Same same here.. if enough people abuse a freedom then its likely that everyone will lose that freedom.
    There are only 2 infinite things... the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the universe.

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    I'm not wrong, that mentality is wrong. Yeah it happens.... but I think it shouldn't

    Oh and for the record, I wasn't trying to say "ban welfare" I was just making an example of it. Just to clear up any confusion of anyone reading these posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vft guy in SJ View Post
    As an avid rider I say those people are fools. I have been riding for over 15 years and I have been down twice.. BOTH times my helmet saved my life. Law or not, helmets save lives and refusing to wear one just shows that you have nothing to protect in the first place.
    I agree, although in the end I suppose this is my "opinion" and it shouldn't be forced on anyone else. Although I'd imagine it's a little less debated than something like a seatbelt, it's easy to take too far. I'm sure for every person that argues that it's unsafe to ride without a helmet, there is someone else that argues it's simply unsafe to ride (period). Everyone manages their own level of risk, and if it's not harming anyone, then they should be able to do as they wish.

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    Im making my own country, lets become THEM The Highly Evolved Mammals (formerly of the US).

    Lets face it, we are going to deplete all out energy and the world will go into crisis and we'll all die. Who cares! Lets live life now, screw it!

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    First my comment about total anarchy was to present an extreme. I dont think human beings will ever reach a point where they respect each other, so we either need to deal with a complete lack of control and total anarchy. Truely every human for themselves. The other option is soceity. As long as you have society certain liberties will be lost due to regulation. Its the price of living in a group. Either social pressure or gov't laws will force you to do something. The whole idea behind punishing a whole group such as a class or unit for the misbehavior of a few is to create a mini soceity in effect that will regulate itself so the authority doesnt have too. Do I truely support coplete and total anarchy, no, humans dont do well with out a few people in support. Also to support this we would have to destroy all idea of property and agriculture and go back to foraging for food as crops need protection so your neighbor doesnt just walk in and take them after you have grown them. Our current life style dictates we must live in a soceity and so we must work to control this soceity not let the society control us
    "We're terrible animals. I think that the Earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should." - Kurt Vonnegut

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