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    Quote Originally Posted by nepenthes gracilis View Post
    How did they enter the dorms? Or didn't they say. Was going to say, two strangers couldn't just waltz into the dorms, they are under lock and key...least ours are here...someone could have "let" them in as well if they acted friendly too.
    A lot of schools, especially bigger state schools have open doors and visitation during certain hours. At my alma mater the doors were unlocked from 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM. Where I work now (a very small school) has doors locked 24 hours a day and every guest is supposed to sign in at the front desk.

    Like you said, unfortunately many people just let strangers into the building without thinking about it. It is a very tragic event, and the pain will continue in all those that were involved on that campus. I can't imagine them being able to continue school since it is so close to the end of the school year.

    I've been working with some colleagues here on revamping our crisis management plan (mostly for pandemic events). I now know what we will be working on (and rightfully so) in case something like this should occur again.

    Clint - it is difficult to manage crisis situations, especially on college campuses. One would think common sense dictates that after even one shooting classes would be canceled at least for the day. However, chaos can cause pretty crazy things. From experience, many times crises management is so variable based on situations, which only adds to the preparedness and response of an institution. It will be interesting to see what comes out about the response of V. Tech.

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    This is very sad indeed, and totally uncalled for! 32 people dead, for what?? Stupid!
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    As I'm typing this I'm actually crying. I didn't even know these people who died, but I'm stunned...I feel like vomitting...what's happening to the world around us...it's sick...what can make a person absoluley not care about others?
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    Well they were already screwed up to begin with. Normal people don't just snap like that. I'm sure he had underlying issues.

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    You'd be surprised what extent "normal" people are pushed to when their despair reaches a certain point.

    And don't be so quick to damn inaction. We know for sure that officials didn't stand around doing "nothing". They were aware there was a shooting, and emails were sent around school warning people to stay indoors. In fact, I believe they had that particular dorm on lockdown to ensure no one went in or out.

    These situations are never easy to handle. I won't go so far as to defend all the actions they took. I just know that emergencies situations are never cut and dry.

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    this was posted today by a Virginia Tech student

    http://andrews-dad.blogspot.com/

    Bradford B. Wiles

    Wiles, of New Castle, is a graduate student at Virginia Tech.

    On Aug. 21 at about 9:20 a.m., my graduate-level class was evacuated from the Squires Student Center. We were interrupted in class and not informed of anything other than the following words: "You need to get out of the building."

    Upon exiting the classroom, we were met at the doors leading outside by two armor-clad policemen with fully automatic weapons, plus their side arms. Once outside, there were several more officers with either fully automatic rifles and pump shotguns, and policemen running down the street, pistols drawn.

    It was at this time that I realized that I had no viable means of protecting myself.

    Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.

    I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

    First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

    Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

    Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.

    Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.

    That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.

    I would also like to point out that when I mentioned to a professor that I would feel safer with my gun, this is what she said to me, "I would feel safer if you had your gun."

    The policy that forbids students who are legally licensed to carry in Virginia needs to be changed.

    I am qualified and capable of carrying a concealed handgun and urge you to work with me to allow my most basic right of self-defense, and eliminate my entrusting my safety and the safety of my classmates to the government.

    This incident makes it clear that it is time that Virginia Tech and the commonwealth of Virginia let me take responsibility for my safety.


    this quote is preshooting after VA senitors and Represenitives voted against a bill that would have allowed students and faculty who were legally able to carried concealed weapons to be able to do so on college campuses
    Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was
    defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the
    General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students,
    faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
    imagine what would have happened and how many lives could have been saved if students and faculty who chose to and were legally able to carry a concealed hand gun. alot fewer lives could have been lost
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    Just got home from work. What a waste of innocent lifes.

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    rattler_mt, I support the right for citizens to carry concealed weapons in a legal, licensed way.

    That said, I do NOT support them being allowed on school campuses. Truthfully, I'm almost sickened that this student has taken the stance of "If the law were different today might have been different." Now is not the time to be making these sorts of political statements. He may have been trained to carry and use this firearm, but many states do not require concealed weapons training, and even those that do may not train you to use weapons in combat situations. They may only teach you to carry and fire a weapon responsibly. Without these courses, prospective carriers are not taught how to avoid harming those who you do not wish to hit in some shootout.

    You could easily say that, had a student been carrying a weapon, that more lives may have been lost in friendly fire. Or, what if a student carrying the weapon were shot and killed. Now our killer has another weapon. This guy says he wants to protect himself, but it sounds an awful lot like he wanted to run back into that building with his pistol to save the day. That is not the purpose of carrying a concealed weapon.

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