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    This sort of tragedy, as someone pointed out, is NOT a gun control issue. People who are on a violent rampage FIND ways to do their damage. Many people do not realize that as bad as this shooting was, it was NOT the biggest school massacre ever. In 1927, in Michigan, a gentleman was so upset about his failing finances, which he blamed on a tax to fund a local school, that he killed 45 people and wounded 58. He did not use a gun, but rather arson, dynamite, and a shrapnel-laden truck. Where there's a will, there's a way.

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    I agree you ya, Max. And even if this were a gun control issue, then take that discussion somewhere else. That was not the purpose of this thread (at least I don't think that's what Pak had in mind!)

    The act was obviously premeditated, so yes, where there's a will there is a way. According to firsthand reports, the guy apparently chained some of the exits shut to prevent people from escaping, that sort of thing implies premeditation.

    I was listening to Loveline last night when they managed to get a hold of one of the students of the university, a DJ. He left to go to class in the day, the very class where a bunch of the shooting apparently took place. He later talked with the survivor of the room. He said that when the shooter walked in, everyone just froze. His eyes met his lab partners until the partner was hit in the face with a bullet. Everyone hit the floor and all they could do was play dead. According to the story when the police came in to the room they said "If there's anyone alive, stand up." He was the only one to stand up.

    Was very creepy to hear that account on the radio last night like that.

    It's a damn shame and a damn waste of life, and the fact is that people don't just "snap." It's always a process and there's always someone who noticed that the person was becoming unstable.

    People's reaction when this sort of thing is always weird to watch... Shocked to numb andfeelings that it's all so surreal, to sadness, and then to rage. But the sadness persists.

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    There are always warning signs. Older folks shake their head in disappointment and ponder, "What has this world become?" Well, it's not much different than it used to be, but even at my age it's plain to see: the world has become so completely connected, and DISCONNECTED, at the same time.

    We are in touch with more people around the world than we've ever been, thanks to the internet and personal communication devices. At the same time, though, we're so disconnected from each other. Our families, our neighbors. I can name 10 friends I have strictly through the internet that I know better than 10 people that live within one square mile of myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    Good for you Sean but i personally know several of your countrymen that moved and became citizens of the US because they did not feel safe.........because the fact that violent crtime was raising rapidly in your country.................
    Let me guess, you know them personally from one of your gun forums

    The day that you can convince me that in general the US is a safer place to live than Australia is the day I crawl up and die.

    Let me make another guess, these friends of yours got a bit upset that they could no longer parade around with their semi-automatic guns so decided to move somewhere that they could. You are welcome to them as my country is better off without them.

    I'll allow this thread to return to what it should be discussing, the abhorrent deaths of innocent people. I find that altering it to suit a personal agenda is poor form.

    The only reason I jumped in here was to defend the reputation of my country which was made to appear as crime ridden, which anybody who lived here would realise is not- (ie- if the US relaxes it's gun laws it will turn out as bad as Australia). To suggest that is the case is a case of arrogant self-righteousness as far as I am concerned. That might not be the way you intended it to be portrayed, but that is the way it read to me.

    RANT OVER, BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND

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    the abhorrent deaths of innocent people
    RIGHT.

    Yesterday the President and our Gov. Time Kaine spoke to the students at Tech and last nite there was a beautiful candlelight vigil there. At the same time, all the colleges and universities in Richmond held vigils as well. I wish I could have gone but I had a meeting to attend. I'm glad to see the students pulling together. The Hokie Nation's pride is serving them well as a way to bond and support each other. I think right now, everyone in VA feels like an Honorary Hokie. Two students that died were from Richmond...and another's mother, new President of the CCF, is living here. She lost her son. So there is a lot of grief here.

    On the positive note, there were so many acts of heroism that took place that is something those kids and faculty can be proud of.

    I wish the freakin' media would stop trying to assign blame...from trying to blame police and faculty for not doing enough to making it sound like someone should have been able to see into the future and KNOW that kid was going to commit mass murder. Sure, he was a odd duck but no one could have known this would happen. People did what they could and that's all you can ask of anyone.

    If you ever want to go to a school that is infused with pride and enthusiasm, Tech is the place. (Not to mention its a great academic school).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlantAKiss View Post
    RIGHT.

    I wish the freakin' media would stop trying to assign blame...from trying to blame police and faculty for not doing enough to making it sound like someone should have been able to see into the future and KNOW that kid was going to commit mass murder. Sure, he was a odd duck but no one could have known this would happen. People did what they could and that's all you can ask of anyone.
    I'm with you on that one, PAK... my college has a few oddballs as well (most places do) but there is just no way to know if somebody is going to lose it like that. VT shut down the residence hall when the first incident happened and was looking into the identity of the shooter when the second wave began... I can't say my school would do anything differently. The only thing I can think of them doing is cancelling classes and everything immediately, but who's to say that would have helped? If everyone got a text message to their cell telling them a gunman was on the loose (which is the system they're talking about installing now).... including the gunman... mass panic would have ensued and the gunman could have had his pick of any building anyway.

    Whose fault is it? The gunman's. Who on earth could have seen anything like this coming and could have prepared for it?
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    His English teacher, for starters. She did all she could do and she's a damn good woman for it if you as me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlantAKiss View Post
    On the positive note, there were so many acts of heroism that took place that is something those kids and faculty can be proud of.
    That is so great. It's sad that one of the greatest things that can help bring people together and strengthen communities is a crises or tragedy.

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